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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2015, 12:26:23 am »
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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2015, 01:28:39 am »
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The problem is that we're both trying to be the good guys.  Wardens because that's what 'warden' means, and we of the HCE because we are trying to show to the community that we are not some mega-faction trying to crush all others as that could cost us a lot in merc support.  But, as the people who know me know, I will not be happy until I can crush all of the strat players under my heel.  Cuz you know, I'm like that (but just don't let the strat community find out).

War was going to happen at sometime, though I'm a little disappointed that Thalion didn't write a nice RP post about it; ie Warden concerns over having an HCE member so close to their borders after they showed their militaristic nature when they crushed the Berserks.  He could have thought of something clever, rather than just a few mumblings that Blue owed them Curaw because they supported him in a defense against an attack that they also supported.

But war seems to have happened, so be it.  It just means Dutchy gets to sit comfortable after his awful loss (I haven't talked to him yet, but WTF!  I keep begging people to attack in small waves cuz with 1000+ the risk is just too damn high.  He disagreed, but he may now have changed his mind), and will have time to rebuild.

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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2015, 02:17:53 am »
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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2015, 02:59:09 am »
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Bryggan,

You beautiful man, you are quite right. We are both trying to be good guys, and that makes things difficult for both of us, and keeps our PR departments very busy. If only this were not strat we could rest on our laurels and usher in an age of peace and prosperity that could be the dawn of a new era. Build might civilizations that could one day reach the stars. Yet, this is strat. Strat, where war is life and peace is death.

I would gladly have written  you rp, had not my  house  been broken into and my pc stolen. Right in the middle of house and job hunting too, so needless to say my life has been quite busy. When I get my new pc however, and return to this hell men, (and many neck bearded children) call strat, I'll write you up some proper rp. You have my word.


The problem is that we're both trying to be the good guys.  Wardens because that's what 'warden' means, and we of the HCE because we are trying to show to the community that we are not some mega-faction trying to crush all others as that could cost us a lot in merc support.  But, as the people who know me know, I will not be happy until I can crush all of the strat players under my heel.  Cuz you know, I'm like that (but just don't let the strat community find out).

War was going to happen at sometime, though I'm a little disappointed that Thalion didn't write a nice RP post about it; ie Warden concerns over having an HCE member so close to their borders after they showed their militaristic nature when they crushed the Berserks.  He could have thought of something clever, rather than just a few mumblings that Blue owed them Curaw because they supported him in a defense against an attack that they also supported.

But war seems to have happened, so be it.  It just means Dutchy gets to sit comfortable after his awful loss (I haven't talked to him yet, but WTF!  I keep begging people to attack in small waves cuz with 1000+ the risk is just too damn high.  He disagreed, but he may now have changed his mind), and will have time to rebuild.
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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2015, 03:48:14 am »
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we of the HCE because we are trying to show to the community that we are not some mega-faction trying to crush all others as that could cost us a lot in merc support.

You've got a lot of merc support you could afford to lose, then rosters might be even.
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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2015, 05:08:54 am »
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You've got a lot of merc support you could afford to lose, then rosters might be even.

I think that battle had very even rosters.
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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2015, 05:14:25 am »
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Sure, that one did. But those others just last night and the night before weren't. One of Bryggan's commandments is "Thou shalt not gank" and yet we have fights of 25v8 and 35v25, both in favor of HCE.
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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2015, 05:22:17 am »
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Sure, that one did. But those others just last night and the night before weren't. One of Bryggan's commandments is "Thou shalt not gank" and yet we have fights of 25v8 and 35v25, both in favor of HCE.
Not our fault Squids cant be bothered to hire a roster. Its pretty obvious with any effort people can match our roster(i.e that battle where Wardens out numbered us, or the LL battles where we had even).
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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2015, 05:28:49 am »
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HCE generally only has members from HCE mercing for them. When they have battles it is usually more than half HCE members fighting. Of those mercs from HCE only about a quarter of them have positive or even KDs.

Now this isn't always true. There are always statistical outliers that break away from the standard and you cannot account for that.

What I think separates HCE from other factions is that they have mostly HCE members as mercs. While they may not be the most skilled players they follow the orders of the commander and know how to fight together. It is easy to play well as a team than as an individual. You run into that issue when you hire mercs that are not a part of your faction but at the same time you don't have much of a choice because there isn't anyone else.

I completely agree with you that HCE generally has more mercs in battles but at the same time I think that it just a lazy excuse to constantly say that especially when factions like the squids rarely bother to hire people.
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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2015, 06:03:46 am »
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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2015, 06:13:46 am »
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There is a difference between being too lazy to hire people and simply having no one to hire. No doubt the squids put forth as much effort as you guys did to get mercs for that battles, and yet they were still outnumbered, severely. A lot of people who are just mercs for hire couldn't care less if they missed a battle (especially a "measly 300v300 skirmish"), it's the ones in the faction that care, and will more often than not make an effort to show up. The squids are a largely inactive faction now, leaving only really a few guys within their faction to merc for them... that's 3 guys they got locked in compared to HCE's what... 40? 50? The Wardens went through hell and high water trying to get a roster for tonight's battle, and even after signing up literally everyone in the HoC faction, probably all the active guys in their own (minus Thalion, RIP), a few Berzerks, squids, astralis, and many random mercs (who have also fought for HCE in the past) they managed to get a roster of equal size with HCE. Meanwhile, no doubt the HCE just accepted all their players who noticed they had a fight coming up, and if anything simply sent out a mass-message to remind everyone. The effort ratio was easily 20:1 with the exact same payoff. Not to mention that attackers should always have a few more players to at least give them a chance at victory (due to defender's having a natural advantage), they also had mercs from all over, which as McDeath said, is a problem. You could create 20 multi-accounts, join the battle, plate them up, and just have them keep respawning and that alone would give you a huge advantage since flags can't be capped so long as a defender is nearby, and even afk characters take plenty of time to cut down if they are plated up. Point being, skill means very little if you have a numbers advantage.
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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2015, 06:17:11 am »
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I can't tell if I'm arguing with you or agreeing with you Jona.

It's a little bit of both i think
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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2015, 06:18:14 am »
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It's a little bit of both i think

Probably... basically... yeah. Mainly, I was replying to Tristan.
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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2015, 09:32:25 am »
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The sad thing is is that it is a popularity contest.  The Squids are best known for their trolling and being general dick heads in the forums.  I myself was quite surprised to sit with them in their Team Speak and find them pretty funny, amusing and damn good hosts.  We laughed, we cried, then I got right irate when I saw the shit they posted.  Bastards each and everyone of them, but I do kind of miss them.  Good folk when they weren't being total shit heads.

This first battle against the Wardens seems promising.  They started out with a few more than us, then it gradually evened out.  The terrain was in the defender's favour, and the whole HCE team did a wonderful job of behaving.  As said above somewhere, the average HCE player is not as good as the average anti-HCE player.  But when people listen to their commanders and obey orders, victories can be achieved.  While, once again I stood in awe of the anti-HCE pushes that we experienced in past battles, I am bloody frickin' proud of how the HCE defense stayed together and withdrew even though they could have almost got that kill.

But I gave up on the 'anti-gank idea.  Ganks happen due to random shit, and, while no one likes them (winner or loser), no one will give up their army they spent a month or two building.  I used to believe there was a neutral playerbase that would watch the rosters and try even it out, but that was just a mad pipe dream.

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Re: HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2015, 09:42:15 am »
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Not our fault Squids cant be bothered to hire a roster. Its pretty obvious with any effort people can match our roster(i.e that battle where Wardens out numbered us, or the LL battles where we had even).

I think it's more like - with a lot of work other factions can match your roster. Your's filled with faction members, opposition cobbled together from all over the place. Comes from HCE being by far the biggest faction with more active players.
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