China overtakes the US as the worlds biggest economy

[Angantyr]

Sure, there's some 'Black Legend' cases in South America, but that North American Native Americans were the victims of genocide is not controversial.

Disease killed many but so did mass-expulsion, slavery, scalping, starvation, countless massacres and 'Manifest Destiny'.

The 'Founding Fathers' were well aware at the time what they were doing, also in writing, and pretty much every source you can find in the period are equally unambiguous.

George Washington called the Native Americans “beasts of prey” and called for their total annihilation on many occasions, besides destroying what was virtually the stone-age people of the Seneca nation, and later the Iroquois Confederacy. George Washington gave the following orders to General John Sullivan in May 31, 1779:

“The immediate objectives are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements and the capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops in the ground and prevent their planting more.”

Andrew Jackson was behind several massacres on Creek Indians and the total destruction of many other Eastern tribes. President Thomas Jefferson wrote in December 29, 1813:

“This unfortunate race, whom we had been taking so much pains to save and to civilize, have by their unexpected desertion and ferocious barbarities justified extermination and now await our decision on their fate.”

Extermination of Indians was encouraged publicly, in the daily press or for example by the Governor of California in 1851. In 1867, General William Sherman said:

“We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux even to their extermination: men, women and children.”

From 1848 to 1870 over 120,000 Native Americans died just in California. The examples are numerous.

[Swaggart]

Regardless of the method, be it unwittingly through disease or maliciously through colonization, no one can argue that the worst thing that happened to native Americans was the arrival of the Europeans.

I'm still interested in what exactly Anders has a problem with though.

[Kafein]

Sure, there's some 'Black Legend' cases in South America, but that North American Native Americans were the victims of genocide is not controversial.

Disease killed many but so did mass-expulsion, slavery, scapling, starvation, countless massacres and 'Manifest Destiny'.

The 'Founding Fathers' were well aware at the time what they were doing, also in writing, and pretty much every source you can find in the period are equally unambiguous.

George Washington called the Native Americans “beasts of prey” and called for their total annihilation on many occasions, besides destroying what was virtually the stone-age people of the Seneca nation, and later the Iroquois Confederacy. George Washington gave the following orders to General John Sullivan in May 31, 1779:

“The immediate objectives are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements and the capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops in the ground and prevent their planting more.”

Andrew Jackson was behind several massacres on Creek Indians and the total destruction of many other Eastern tribes. President Thomas Jefferson wrote in December 29, 1813:

“This unfortunate race, whom we had been taking so much pains to save and to civilize, have by their unexpected desertion and ferocious barbarities justified extermination and now await our decision on their fate.”

Extermination of Indians was encouraged publicly, in the daily press or for example by the Governor of California in 1851. In 1867, General William Sherman said:

“We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux even to their extermination: men, women and children.”

From 1848 to 1870 over 120,000 Native Americans died just in California. The examples are numerous.

That's interesting, but those examples come much later than the early contacts with Natives. Estimations of the total Native population prior to contact with Eurasians do indeed tell us that most Native civilizations were in fact already in shambles due to diseases by the time the invaders made direct contact. If we take Pizarro as an example, one of the reasons he could so easily defeat a huge Incan army with just a few hundred men was that Huayna Capac and his oldest son had died of smallpox and that Atahualpa had taken power after a violent civil war.

[Angantyr]

Hence my comment being on the indigenous peoples of North America.

[Kafein]

Hence my comment being on the indigenous peoples of North America.

Mass death by diseases occurred in North America as well, just a little bit later in most cases. North American Natives had no more resistance and received similar exposure with similar results as in South America. This scenario actually repeated itself in many other places isolated from Eurasian diseases, such as most of Oceania and sub-Saharan Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_the_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas (note reference 21)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_smallpox#Epidemics_in_the_Americas

[Leshma]

They buy more iPhones.

Bigger Than Bigger: iPhone 6 And iPhone 6 Plus Pre-Orders In China Top 20 Million Units

[BlindGuy]

Yes, if China spends all of its gross domestic product on domestic products they would be able to buy more than if the US would spend all of its gross domestic product on domestic products. Good luck spending 17 trillion on pork meat and toy cars. Comparing GDP's adjusted for purchasing power parities is incredibly dumb ever since people invented trade. China is a bigger economy because they have a crappy domestic market, okay.

That said, regular GDP comparisons make China look bad because they artifically keep their currency down, making the exchange to dollar costly for the GDP number. The thing with countries with 1.3 billion people is that even if they are dirt poor, the sheer number of people producing at a shoddy pace is gonna make the national economy big.

You forgot that China also has a great scheme going on, has done for 2 decades now, where they massively imflate their % by employing labourers, architects etc and purchasing the materials, then building enormous ghost cities that noone will ever live in. This drives their GDP up while actually producing... nothing much really.

[Christo]

Admin pls ban China for statspadding.

[Chosen1]

When other countries do it: Conquest of a weaker people

When America did it: Genocide

and I'm sure all of the countries you europoors come from has done something shitty in the past too.

[Xant]

When other countries do it: Conquest of a weaker people

When America did it: Genocide

and I'm sure all of the countries you europoors come from has done something shitty in the past too.

Americans were called Europeans when they did it

[Umbra]

When other countries do it: Conquest of a weaker people

When America did it: Genocide

and I'm sure all of the countries you europoors come from has done something shitty in the past too.

Who exactly would call genocide conquest of weaker people, any contemporary historians you could name, or anyone in this thread? Also, no1 here said that European countries didnt do anyhting shitty. Besides, thats not the point because this isnt a contest and neither are we attacking Murica, so chill out.

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I know, i know weak troll, took the bait etc. Cant help myself   

[Chosen1]

yall just mad we still the greatest country in the world 238 years in a row

e pluribus unum motherfukcers