End to gold sinks

[Torben]

is this a weta thread now?  cause there is a cat-weta video for these occasions:

[Jona]

Leave it to a cat to be the heroic defender of mankind, yet look bored whilst taking on a demonic bug from hell.

[Torben]

Leave it to a cat to be the heroic defender of mankind, yet look bored whilst taking on a demonic bug from hell.

pretty much what crossed my mind

[Aprikose]

No.
But Native does have, basically, a freely respec-able STF with no character progression or rewards for long term play, and everything is obtainable in about 3 minutes.
Making cRPG more like Native is not a good idea.

I'd agree that some changes need to be made, but I'm not sure what.
I know when I first started playing cRPG, I got my ass kicked even harder than I do now, but I stuck with it because I knew it'd be awesome once I leveled up and got used to it.
It's one of the things that works well for the game too, in my opinion; the people who don't want to commit to it and put in some time are weeded out, and they're the weaker links anyway.
That aside, heirlooms and high level players existed back in the day too.
Goretooth was a fucking nightmare, but I still hung in there. A lot of us that still play did too.

The game is old, less people are purchasing it, less people are signing up on the website.
Strictly my opinion, but everything eventually dies, and I'm not sure if a huge overhaul is going to keep people from leaving for newer, shinier games with bigger playerbases.

but native isnt playable for thousand of hours.

[San]

I am split on looms. Maybe they can be cosmetic or reduce the boosts while buffing +0. I think the desire for getting more looms makes me want to play more at times, or did anyways. I think some leveling isn't that bad, too, but +6 is too much.

I guess I would like to have as a compromise: STFs at level 33-35, level 36 as the equivalent exp of level 33, and level 37 stays the same exp for Aldogalus. People would grind for looms and 2-3 extra levels instead of 6.

[Jack1]

IMO there needs to be some kind of progression that allows players who have been around longer have an advantage. also keep in mind that if you do eliminate gold sinks there will be an extreme amount of high level players doing the go-to builds. I'm more than sure that there will be multiple people who go to high level HA in EU and your dieing battle server would be unsalvageable. too many people would try to fight fire with fire.

worse case scenario: mod dies because of so many min-maxers

best case: mod dies because everybody gets what they need without having to grind for it leading to eventual boredom and further leads to chatroom servers like runescape.

[Gein]

IMO there needs to be some kind of progression that allows players who have been around longer have an advantage.

There is. It's called being better at playing the game.

[Teeth]

The purpose of gold sinks was never to decrease the amount of gold in-game, but to keep the amount somewhat in check. I definitely think that has worked. Reducing the costs of auction services, however, will only reduce the grind for players with full stacks of looms and high level, by making their OP grind rewards more mobile. Free respecs are the devil because it enables higher levels to never actually have to lower their amount xp, thereby disabling all the things that would enable more level equality, like respecs, retiring and levelling new characters. They should be expensive as fuck. Don't you think that it is a little more saliant to reduce the 1000 hour grind it takes for new players to reach the same mechanical advantages, it's disgusting really.

IMO there needs to be some kind of progression that allows players who have been around longer have an advantage.

Why, for the love of god why?

[Molly]

I agree with Teeth.
A hard-cap at level 32 would be nice. You still have a bit of the grinding factor most of us actually like but it takes away the massive advantage a level 33/34/35 build can give.
I never liked how the heirlooming worked but that is something we will never see changed for this mod.
The main reason I have heirloomed weapons is for the looks provided by the Heirloom Texture Pack...

[Torben]

idc about the advantage over others,  but a constant progression.  its nice to evolve.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

It's no secret that nowadays the population of cRPG is getting really low. Also, it is no secret, that all the things that were implemented for the purpose of being gold sinks have failed at decreasing the amount of gold in the game. So, maybe it is time to make these features more available to the public?

The things i'm talking about - respecs, loom exchanges and blacksmithing services. Especially the loom exchange becoming more available would be a good thing, imo.

Gold sinks and upkeep are just lazy. They should fuck off into the shitty hole from whence they came. They add very little to the game in any meaningful way.

The price of items should only be an issue in strat. In general multi the only thing that should hold you back from using or obtaining items is a small amount of gold grind so that gain things has some value and can be an enjoyable experience but upkeep really adds fuck all to the whole thing.

More fucking over items should be balanced against items not against upkeep. Yes, obviously heaps of items will only have aesthetic value but as we have seen you can permanently play in plate (example, me, basic and a shit load of other people) without it really being a fucking thing.

I hope that battle grounds attacks these problems in a completely different way. I don't think I should get such a ball breaking advantage by being such a vet that I have full +3 plate making me more or less untouchable by range and a 1/4 of the weapons in the game. TIS STUPID.

I FRANK REQUEST THE MOD BE PUT INTO A STATE OF FREEDOM AND ANARCHY SO WE THE LAST OF THE DAMNED MAY BE FREE TO ENJOY OUR LAST DAYS TOGETHER AS WE SEE FIT BEFORE ARMAGEDDON COMES!!!

Now back into the man pile.

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[Jack1]

Why, for the love of god why?

Because the better part of the population plays for that reason.  Looms and levels is the reason that the community is still playing.

[WITCHCRAFT]

I started a 2H character last week. Going from level 1 to 20 takes a handful of hours now, so grinding up to a playable level isn't an issue (unless you are ranged lololol).

With no heirlooms I was able to get valor and even spent a map at the top of my team at level 15. I have not touched 2H for more than two years. I am not a top tier player. I am mediocre as hell. As long as you know the mechanics of M&B you can do just fine after playing for an hour or two.

Something that I feel keeps people coming back is the clan community in M&B. I have no idea how I played for a year without being in any clan at all. How did I not get bored of just playing the battle server???

[Bittersteel]

cRPG could learn from Mercenaries and other mods alot. Something that really draw alot of players is happy hour. One hour each day there is double xp with tons of people coming to play. It could really make things alot more alive.

[Phew]

cRPG could learn from Mercenaries and other mods alot. Something that really draw alot of players is happy hour. One hour each day there is double xp with tons of people coming to play. It could really make things alot more alive.

cRPG has had "Happy Year", or longer, of double XP.