Kurd discussion

[Umbra]

Kurdish Peshmerga seem to be putting the Iraqi Armed Forces to shame when it comes to fighting ISIS/ISIL. I read a few articles where they are now supposedly backed with US weaponry. Im not thrilled about arming another group in the ME but they seem to be the logical choice since we probably wont see any more NATO boots on the ground there.

Most comments online that i have encountered seem to be positive, even hinting that, with this war, they are building legitimay for their own state. I know Turkey will never give up an inch of their land but could this be beginning of an independent Kurish state in northern Iraq?

Perhaps Turks will view that as a threat but i dunno, it might just work. The Kurds themselves are not a homogeneous group, (their population estimates on wiki seem to be 30-38 million people with different fractions) so it could be possible that a Kurdish state formed from their lands in northern Iraq wouldnt cause a mayor upset with the Turkish Kurd population, which, i got the impression from a couple of native Kurds online,  is relatively content with their status. I dont know the details here, so if a Turk could share their view that would be great.

From the rescue, combat and relief footage i got the impression that the Kurds are a much lesser evil than ISIS/ISIL.

Should the west really be backing them, could they realistically carve a state for their nation? Currently i am leaning towards yes in both regards.

[Taser]

Kurds have basically been on their own since US invaded. They were basically shit on by saddam. So when saddam's government fell apart, they took their chance to basically make their own place. And they did an amazing job when they did.

They definitely deserve it. Definitely agree with arming those guys.

[Kirman]

They are getting gun from US. Well that sounds bad since i'm living in Turkey. But how do you think PKK(Kurd's terrorist organisation) created? I mean they had much better equipement than our army had in 90s. Answer is in the first sentence. Few years back i was like ''No! They created Turkey after the fell of Ottoman Empire on WW-I, our borders were drown by blood. It can't be divded  no matter what'' Today, my idea has changed. Since the Kurds who lives on East don't pay their bills or anything, government makes me pay it under the name of ''tax''. They keep using electricity/social facilities etc etc...  without a problem.  Screw it lets divide give them east.  I have no problem living with Kurds but if we divide i won't see a single Kurd on West.

i got the impression that the Kurds are a much lesser evil than ISIS/ISIL.

Well as i said PKK(Kurd's terrorist organisation) or you can call it Peshmerga. They killed many innocent people by bombing civilian buildings in 90s. I still remember one of them as image. So we captured their leader, guess what happened? Suddenly execution removed from our constitution. It's not hard to guess who caused that. Suprisingly US could execute Usama Bin Laden few years later.

[Umbra]

I thought Peshmerga is a term for just general Kurdish military. Isnt that term different from the Kurdistan workers party

[Kirman]

In Turkey, Peshmerga means PKK, a terrosit organisation who fights in mountains at East. Doing hit&run tactics, suicide bombing... Hiding in caves etc etc... Some of them went to Iraq from Turkey by  bus, imagine how funny is that, our government and army did nothing.

[Umbra]

Whats the situation like now? Do you think the Turkish Kurds would demand land if the Iraqi Kurds made a state from north Iraq?

[Kirman]

Actually Turkey is fucked up on another subject such as  Erdogan. While the situation is complicated it's a chance for them and probably they will demand. I'm sure our government will accept it.

[Gnjus]

Saladin was a Kurd. Kurds are better than Turks (coming from a dedicated Turkologist). Nuff said.

[Teeth]

Kurds have had de facto independence in Northern Iraq ever since the First Gulf War and Iraqi Kurdistan is recognized as an autonomous region of Iraq in the constitution of 2005. As far as I have heard the region is doing relatively well ever since the embargos on larger Iraq by the international community and the embargos of the central Iraq government on Kurdistan stopped. For the shithole area they are in, their government and military seem fairly responsible and progressive. The region has been a bit of a safe haven for a variety of Middle East minorities. Honestly I am quite enthusiastic about the Kurds being able to consolidate their power by fighting off ISIS and establishing some real independence perhaps. Iraq is a messed up place, and any area that can be dragged out of that violent sectarian mess is a good thing in my opinion.

[Christo]

Should the west really be backing them, could they realistically carve a state for their nation? Currently i am leaning towards yes in both regards.

Yes, same here.

They fight well, rescue a lot of people and were, still are opressed by everyone around them.

Also the Iraqi army are incompetent morons, so..

[JennaHaze]

Kürtlerin ben anasını bacısını gelmişini geçmişni bütün kürt tarihini ilimini bilimini dilimini ölmüşlerini sikeyim bölücü orospu çocukları bi de yüzsüz yüzsüz devlet bize bahmiy falan diyolar ulan siktirin gidin kendinize bakın orospu çocukları

[Christo]

Kürtlerin ben anasını bacısını gelmişini geçmişni bütün kürt tarihini ilimini bilimini dilimini ölmüşlerini sikeyim bölücü orospu çocukları bi de yüzsüz yüzsüz devlet bize bahmiy falan diyolar ulan siktirin gidin kendinize bakın orospu çocukları

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[Angantyr]

I was surprised to find so many female fighters in the PKK:

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[Kirman]

Kürtlerin ben anasını bacısını gelmişini geçmişni bütün kürt tarihini ilimini bilimini dilimini ölmüşlerini sikeyim bölücü orospu çocukları bi de yüzsüz yüzsüz devlet bize bahmiy falan diyolar ulan siktirin gidin kendinize bakın orospu çocukları

And this is a simple example why we can't sit on a table  and discuss about the problem  and try to find a solution. There is always someone like this. Saying ''fuck the Kurds'' or other way around.

[Chosen1]

Kurds are the only tolerable muslims in my opinion