Iraq falling appart

[LordBerenger]

Shias vs Sunnis on a full scale level. As long as guys like Assad, Saddams and such are busy with these pointless religious conflicts from within in the middle east  USA wins.

Gotta keep em all weak

[Molly]

Well, what about Turkey? (Might have over read their mentioning)

On a short news here, they stated that Erdogan is already hitting the propaganda button. Things like "We won't let them endanger Turkish sovereignty! If they think they can do this to Turkey then they... blablabla"
Is a cooperation between USA and Turkey thinkable? US drones hitting targets while Turkish troops hit the ground? It would fit to Erdogan in way. Not to mention the affair when his government was/is suspected to be involved in specific provocation actions...

Not much information all around it seems. 

[Osiris]

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2014/0610/Why-Mosul-s-fall-is-a-signature-moment-in-Iraq-video
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/06/12/uk-iraq-security-military-usa-idUKKBN0EN23L20140612
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/12/us-iraq-violence-idUSKBN0EN0RV20140612
http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/urgent-u-s-embassy-prepares-evacuation-plans/
http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/06/11/world/middleeast/isis-control-map.html?hp&_r=0
So, the Syrian civil war expands. ISIS has completely fucked up the Iraqi army and controls most of the important areas of Iraq, and is going to assault Baghdad anyday. The american embassy is already evacuating. Oil prices are spiking. Most of the Iraqi army evaporated, was captured or joined up, the shia who did not manage to pass as sunni were sumarely executed, estimates of ~1500 of them. The captured ones were all wearing civilian clothing as they were trying to escape, so who knows how many more got away.
I'm almost certain the US is going to intervene, and if it does, it will be put in the akward position of fighting the enemies of Assad and unvoluntarily joining a side in the Syrian civil war, on the side of the dictator who's deposing they tacitly supported! Interesting times.

ISIS fucking up the iraqi army would imply that they actually put up even a semblance of a fight. If the Iraqi army had even tried to fight they would crush ISIS :/ We will see if they have the bottle to fight for their country in the next few days i guess

[Turkhammer]

We shouldn't have invaded Iraq or Ghanistan... such a colossal failure.

Harvard estimates that the cost of both the wars by the time we exit completely will be around 6 trillion dollars. The interest paid on this borrowed money is already in the hundreds of billions and will probably reach 1 trillion+ soon.

If the government would have taken that 6 trillion dollars and spread it evenly to every american, each household would get roughly 75,000$... Sure most of us would waste that 75,000$ but would it be as much as a waste as the Iraq and Afghan wars?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-wars-in-afghanistan-iraq-to-cost-6-trillion/5350789

20/20 hindsight is easy.  I agree with your estimate on Iraq but I think the effort to expel the Taliban post 9-11 was brilliant.  The US should have kept it's eye on the ball and concentrated on Afghanistan instead of distracting itself with Iraq. 

[Tovi]

[Christo]

https://ia801509.us.archive.org/18/items/al_saleel_4/SaleelSawarim.mp4

If you want to see some really graphic propaganda from ISIS.

[Osiris]

*clicks expecting ghost*

[Christo]

*clicks expecting ghost*

Ghost?

[Osiris]

usually when you click stuff like this after like 30 seconds a screaming ghost appears... anyway it could do with subtitles so i could understand it. The lil chant in the background is pretty catchy tho

why are they randomly drive by shooting people?

[Tovi]

Well, what about Turkey? (Might have over read their mentioning)

On a short news here, they stated that Erdogan is already hitting the propaganda button. Things like "We won't let them endanger Turkish sovereignty! If they think they can do this to Turkey then they... blablabla"
Is a cooperation between USA and Turkey thinkable? US drones hitting targets while Turkish troops hit the ground? It would fit to Erdogan in way. Not to mention the affair when his government was/is suspected to be involved in specific provocation actions...

Not much information all around it seems.

ISIS weapons come from Ukraine via Turkey. And there is actually, at least 3 djihadist training camps in Turkey near the syrian border.
Turkey is the international HUB of the sunni Djihad in Syria and Iraq.

[Christo]

usually when you click stuff like this after like 30 seconds a screaming ghost appears... anyway it could do with subtitles so i could understand it. The lil chant in the background is pretty catchy tho

Oh. I don't post screamers, if that's what you meant.

No subs sadly, iirc.

[Panos_]

what does ISIS stand for?

[Christo]

ISIS/ISIL is

Islamic state of Iraq and Syria/Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant

It's the same thing, just translated differently iirc

[Tiger]

I don't think the US will get involved again, with so much debt, unless maybe we have a Republican President next.

[Oberyn]

ISIS fucking up the iraqi army would imply that they actually put up even a semblance of a fight. If the Iraqi army had even tried to fight they would crush ISIS :/ We will see if they have the bottle to fight for their country in the next few days i guess

There is no such thing as an Iraqi national identity. It's a patchwork of clans and religious cults, all with their own allies and enemies and grudges going back centuries. The sunni have no loyalty to the shiite majority government, and the shiite have no interest in sacrificing their lives to defend sunni iraqi land. The real fight will be around Baghdad, and if that should fall the rest of Iraq (i.e shiite majority southern areas) won't fold so easily. Especially since Iran and probably the US won't let it happen.