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Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« on: April 10, 2014, 10:48:07 pm »
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Make the HGS a unique option instead of a downgrade from all other 4d 2h swords.  Make it live up to its name and model.

Tentative proposed stat changes: 87 speed, 44 cut, 25 pierce; bump up the price

Those stats are just a rough estimation of what would be ideal.  The basic idea is to make it very slow but also hit very hard, the Ganondorf of 2h -with similar weaknesses to more conventional picks.  Right now, it is merely kind of slow and doesn't hit harder than great swords of similar dimensions.  The only thing it has going for it is its weight, which can be as much a liability as an advantage for long, 4d 2h swords. 

Compared to other great swords it would still be pretty clearly worse, but with enough difference in the stats to make it attractive to people wanting to try something new.  The only 2h with similarly low speed is the Flamberge and it is 32 length longer (yes, I know it uses polearm animations for 3 of its attack directions and frankly the 2h-righswing <> polearm-stab feint is fantastic), so I don't really think it would be too strong given "the competition" as it were.  90% of 2h are just going to use longsword anyways

Let us play at the margins stat-wise a little more. 

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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2014, 11:01:13 pm »
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This is not a shitty idea.
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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2014, 11:07:27 pm »
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I think it could be 88 speed and not be too powerful.

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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2014, 07:54:06 pm »
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Jebus, this thing still hasnt received a buff?? I played with it for ages and its an awesome weapon, i would personally be fine with 43/24 88 speed.

Get rid of the speed and buff its damage, I dont even know wy it has more speed then a danish..
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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2014, 08:11:12 pm »
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It did receive a "buff" by becoming quite a bit cheaper.  So it's like a cheaper but shittier version of the other 2h swords.  It's kind of a niche...I guess.  Can do better though.

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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2014, 08:29:59 pm »
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It's the best greatsword for stunning, and that at a (too) low price
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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2014, 08:39:25 pm »
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I'm in the middle of making a new model for the HGS (it's too close to the SOW :P).

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Like this but with a flat hilt and possibly a fuller. Want something with more weight to it, mini flamberge esque.
Thoughts?

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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2014, 09:34:19 pm »
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Even though they are quite similar, I really like the HGS model and hate the SoW's   :?
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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2014, 10:30:36 pm »
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It's the best greatsword for stunning, and that at a (too) low price

Stahp talking this foul propoganda. buff heavy gs to godhood!

Even though they are quite similar, I really like the HGS model and hate the SoW's   :?

Heavy gs is a beast, dat ed stark sword
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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2014, 12:11:39 am »
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Even though they are quite similar, I really like the HGS model and hate the SoW's   :?

Me too tbh, though I don't think people would be happy if you swapped them.

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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2014, 01:27:37 pm »
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Me too tbh, though I don't think people would be happy if you swapped them.

Isn't the HGS using the model for the SoW from native, anyways? (Meaning they are already swapped).
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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2014, 03:08:24 pm »
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It's underused, could have more oomph

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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2014, 12:25:52 am »
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I'm in the middle of making a new model for the HGS (it's too close to the SOW :P).

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Like this but with a flat hilt and possibly a fuller. Want something with more weight to it, mini flamberge esque.
Thoughts?

Looks wonderful, but adding it as another weapon rather than replacing the HGS would be better imo.

Edit: Oh, and can you make a second version of your model, make it smaller, remove the leather around the blade and maybe change the hilt a tiny bit, so we can add this as a onehander, too?
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Re: Finding a Niche for Heavy Great Sword
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2014, 01:28:39 am »
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I don't think it'd work as a onehander?
Whole point of the crescent spike is to protect your hand when you go half-swording :p.

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Untextured, just AO.
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