*****Rally against the Grey Order

[jtobiasm]

funny as fk when people are writing huge paragraphs. Why so serious?????

option 1) Join together maybe lose
option 2) fight each other then lose

see, diplomacy is easy

[Butan]

funny as fk when people are writing huge paragraphs. Why so serious?????

option 1) Join together maybe lose
option 2) fight each other then lose

see, diplomacy is easy

forgot option 3) watch the world burn

[Spurdospera]

forgot option 3) watch the world burn

Sounds good enough option.

[Aksei]

Sounds good enough option.

but your the world, so you watch yourself bunr 

[kinngrimm]

Thank you Grandmom but I wasn't referring to you anyway. I respect you as a leader and a friend.

I tricked Kapis and their alliance buddies in strat 3, in strat 4 i kept my oaths and those who followed me afterwards kept them, too. I told my clan lads always not to troll you, like Mercs and others did continously in the battles. When i was commander of battles where i got to hear that shit i also immediatly stopped it. So while you had bad luck before strat 4, in strat 4 you succeeded. You switched sides at some point when it became clear that a) those who dislike you are not worth fighting for b) kept your words to those who kept it to you and also treated you well c) got new friends with GO which is fine on a personal level as on a strategic one

Now in strat 5, you are allied to the 2 biggest , best organized factions(or so they claim ^^, well i am sure its not my faction as i have not the energy anymore for this game as i had in past versions). You had nearly no resistance taking a huge chunk of land, Fenris & Guards which have roughly the same faction member count as Kapikulu, share 6 fiefs, while you got 24 fiefs. You pushed out a new clan Order de Montesa, from the Jelkala area this round, which you havent claimed initially and i helped them to settle in the north.

I gladly would take Kapikulus in my battles anytime, if i have to leave out Mercs, HRE, GK, Fallen to do so, so be it. Sofar only one Kapikulu has repeatedly applied and also then been taken in into my battles. Also while i had differances with Abbay "before strat 4", i found myself strangely enough  liking him due to our dialogues in strat 4 and also always got along with Ozan and Diagonal. I cherish also the memories of  the "kinngrimm day" Kapis introduced more then 2 years back, where i was awestrucken when suddenly a bunch of people ran around in a big group in my leatherjacket, sidesword, bamboospear, huscarl fashion  that was a theme day introduced by Kapis which i will never forgett. So please dont make me in your mind your enemy, as i am not. I do but play strategus with all ways possible and atm all ways are good to go. I didnt make these calls like this before, to get people to move out of a clan, but dude GO/DRZ are too fucking big, these numbers with a half good organization, its just as Heskey calls it zerging(Starcraft I, was the best) and you/Kapis are profiting by being inbetween them in the safe zone ^^. So if you as i said dont want to be seen complettly as free loaders, the minimum you can do is to stay away from the roster of GO or at least DRZ battles, as you may have noticed their enemies dont get a full roster most of the time anyways. If you also would not help them economicly well i wouldnt blame you if you still would, if you would decide to attack DRZ, that then maybe making things really intresting again.

@Knittler
First being in one big faction and alliance then in the next, your mentality seems clear to me, therefor your words seem shallow.

Sounds good enough option.

Disrupting trade, attacking fiefs in the north and north east, sounds like a plan you heared before right? 

[Spurdospera]

Disrupting trade, attacking fiefs in the north and north east, sounds like a plan you heared before right? 

No I haven´t  , do tell me more about it.

[jtobiasm]

Great, i have now decided that we should all join together...
WHY'S IT'S NOT WORKING!!!!!!!!!! I'VE ALREADY DECIDED THAT EVERYONE SHOULD WORK TOGETHER AND DO WHAT I SAY!!!!!!
I must be missing something here

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But you can't balance the map along the lines of 'well our alliance is fine because if literally every single other player joined forces they'd be the same size. Cos you're never going to unite every random, every faction, every lone wolf together. Not even the biggest zerg factions could manage that, not even with a large % of randoms having 'play to win, help the biggest faction' syndrome, if i told Greys that for some reason they had to unite and coordinate every random and small faction on the map you know they wouldn't even bother trying.

If we arent big enough to fight the UIF today, we're not going to be big enough tomorrow. A simple fact of you making troops, silver, and gear faster than us is that the longer we wait the less chance we'll stand. I am also skeptical when the enemy gives advice, hearing that suggestion from you guys time and time again now just sounds like a hollow attempt to give you something to stomp later on after we've spent months of stockpiling less troops than you and less silver. At least this way we get to fight back BEFORE we've invested months and months of effort into building a kingdom we know won't last.

Also this way it won't be fun for you after you win, and for some reason depriving the UIF of fun doesn't make my eyes fill with tears since the concept of UIF even existing this strat is Anti-Fun in it's very essence for the rest of us. If i had my way and united every single non-UIF in the map i would have deprived you of even a single battle from day 1 of this Strat till you separated from Druz. Whatever you attacked, whoever, however many troops or gear, i would keep the roster empty and not give you the satisfaction of a battle, have fun fighting the AI. We've all seen that the harder we fight against you guys the more you get scared and shrink into your blocks, the only conclusion i have reached is the best way to stop UIF without making our own gay zerg block would be to deprive you of enemies who'll fight back.

If the UIF disbanded maybe we'd consider having some more fun, and maybe you'd get to have your fun again. But the point is moot since that will never happen.

We're never going to survive a zerg from Druzhina and Greys at the same time, so why even make it look like we're defending our fiefs and giving you troops when you win? To let you pretend you're winning against fair odds? Or just to say, 'Hey, the UIF doesnt care about us having any fun on the map, but lets all play how they want us to play so THEY get to have fun cos we're good guys' lol

Give me one good reason from our point of view of why having any sort of 'defense' is desirable.

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The way i see it there are 2 potential leaders of this operation, 1 being the clear candidate. But this person has always hated micromanagement, and his faction has thrived on the ability of it's members to discuss things and make decisions without them. If there was any option of uniting ALL the non-UIF factions there is no candidate, either through mistrust or the unwillingness to try and micromanage around 15-20 different factions and their leaders and organise them all individually, you'd go mad trying that.

I've always had the greatest respect for the organisation skills of GO, but let's face it, i don't think even your leaders could unite and coordinate 20 medium-small, distinct and individual factions with their own ambitions and rivalries, into some semblance of a united Alliance. This is why i dislike the comparison of UIF (which is really propped up by the 2 large well-organised factions, with everyone else just doing what they say or face their wrath xD) against the numerically superior 'rest of the map' which in theory is bigger, but in reality is about as diverse as you can get and some craaaaaaazy people are still clinging to their craaaaazy dream of doing what they want to do on the map and fighting their own wars.

Long story short, mistakes get made, we don't really care because we don't expect to win. But if we ever could it'd be at the start of Strat, not later when there's 0 chance.

'At that close range we won't last long against those Strat Destroyers'
'We'll last longer than we will against that Death Star, and we might just take a few of them with us'

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^ he gets it.

I think a lot more players understand this point than i appreciated, i think on an individual basis even most of Grey Order appreciates this point (esp. since it sounds like they've been encouraging us to take castles and try and defend for a few months). If Grey Order was fighting on it's own or against a bigger alliance they might be one of my favourite factions (if nothing else just for the TS lolz), they like to fight a direct, infantry-focused war which is 100% my preference.

But it's not that simple, and if Greys want a proper war after this, if they want to take castles against an enemy who'll oppose them and put up a real fight, camp their easily defensible fiefs and churn out troops and gear to arm them, they will HAVE to fight Druzhina. If they ever do man up and fight Druzhina i will certainly return from NA exile and offer Greys my support however i can help - don't think we'd all just sit there eating popcorn waiting for you to weaken each other, the EU community would love to see that war because i think a lot of people would want to get involved in that war and pick sides and rosters they've never fought with before.

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You talk like winning was an option, or like we're playing to win xD the only way to 'win' would be if we all removed our personalities and formed our own gay block, that would be shit, it'd be a shit strategy, it'd be a shit playstyle, and we'd all have a shit time doing it, but hey, maybe we'd 'win' if we did. Get into your head, that none of us want to form a shit-block, none of us likes that idea, none of us will ever agree to follow a single leader because in reality we all want to be fighting each other and having our own fun wars, but you shit-heads stop that from being a long-term option. If all the current non-UIF factions decided to join one faction and obey one leader, i reckon around 90% of the members would leave those factions, cos it'd be boring crap to all be in one super-faction.

UIF says we should stop and rebuild our forces, take a castle, defend our land, that's only because the UIF wants something to steamroll later on, cos they know if we go all-in now, use up all our ticks then go off to do something more fun, then Strat is over for everyone unless they change their attitude. Why should we humour you and give you battles later this strat, when you refuse to play in a way that is enjoyable. If you don't give a shit about the rest of us having a chance to do our own thing this strat, why should we go and do what you want?

Taking fiefs and planning to hold them is a waste of time, a waste of effort, and giving you guys more satisfaction than you deserve. The strategy would be about as ineffective as an Eastern European without orders.

You should write more paragraphs about strat.

Gunna quote my self cos you're that funny.

funny as fk when people are writing huge paragraphs. Why so serious?????

[jtobiasm]

Your genius solution of 'work together to win' is where we were 4 months ago, but you cant force people to do what you want. So it is not that simple.

...also i type fast lol, i like to be thorough and cover as many angles as i can rather than make brief vague general sweeping statements that look like i've just glanced at the map and decided to share my half-baked musings.


Gonna quote you cos you're that funny
Uh oh, we got ourselves a new Napoleon over here.

tl:dr u mirin?

[marlla]

this is what happens when you challenge the granny's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN8YQVM1GQI   

[GRANDMOM]

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You should write more paragraphs about strat.

Gunna quote my self cos you're that funny.

The problem is not to know WHAT to do - its to get people to see it and work together - they all have their own agendas- some want to kill me, others want to kill the Equites, some wants to kill the mercs, mercs want to be mercs, SHogunates wants to attack UIf later, some wants to get castles, some wants to attack traders, some wants to go to NA, some wants to hide, some wants defence and some wants offence. We will not tell anyone, or order them to do shit - we can only suggest what people should do - (and nag like an old hag) since there is so much grudges in this game I have never seen so much grudges.

Tobias, thanks for your cunning plan though 

[Macropus]

Basically the whole problem with UIF is that they are too strong (organised, motivated, numerous).

Asking GO and DRZ to go with war at each other because it's not fun to play otherwise is like
- asking Byzantium (or Merc or any other powerful) clan to split up in 2 smaller clans in c-rpg because "you're too strong you bannerstack and kill the whole EU1 and it's not fun to play like that". Someone might even say that "you guys are too good at the game you care too much about it, and I just wanna swing my sword a bit just for fun, but you kill me, and that's why you shouldn't play as a clan", but it doesn't make much sense, does it?

You can't really do anything to prevent strong clans from being strong, except to become just as strong.

[Tyr_]

Basically the whole problem with UIF is that they are too strong (organised, motivated, numerous).

Asking GO and DRZ to go with war at each other because it's not fun to play otherwise is like
- asking Byzantium (or Merc or any other powerful) clan to split up in 2 smaller clans in c-rpg because "you're too strong you bannerstack and kill the whole EU1 and it's not fun to play like that". Someone might even say that "you guys are too good at the game you care too much about it, and I just wanna swing my sword a bit just for fun, but you kill me, and that's why you shouldn't play as a clan", but it doesn't make much sense, does it?

You can't really do anything to prevent strong clans from being strong, except to become just as strong.

Nice example, but they are allies, so it would be the same situation if mercs and byz would play under the same banner on EU1, now we have to fight each other when there are enough ppl active on the server.
And tbh I wouldn't want to play on eu1 for long if every round would end with a steamroll victory...

[Aksei]

Its really not UIF fault that the situation is like it is. You cant tell someone to play like you want. Only thing is, that they are so big, that they can beat everyone, but thats not a problem. It is like it is. The others can now decide to fight and try their luck or wait and be forced to fight later.

But its wrong to blame UIF for the situation, they have the same problem, when most people just stop playing strat and nothing happens.

[kinngrimm]

..., except to become just as strong.

been there, done that, wasnt fun either, just more work. Clans for me now is purely of having some friends i can engage into conversations with and have good game at times on eu servers. I wont go big again, just not worth it. I wont coordinate anymore like i did in strat 3 or in strat 4 till i left, as it is consuming too much energy and takes up to much time. It is not impossible to become big, its just not worth the effort. While we may disagree, i still think this is a problem to be addressed by game mechanics as btw chadz has already stated, read here and afterwards.

also while Tyr is one of the Mercs i dislike , he makes a perfect example.
"Balancing" doesnt allow the 2 strongest clans on the offical server to be on the same side all the time, why would it not be concidered balancing in strat in the same way?

@Aksei
developer can tell you how to play and it is a problem that they dont in cases of overwhelming clans and alliances. A way how you could do it would be like this.
EDIT: also you are right that it is not UIFs fault, it is the fault of the devs!

[JokeQ]

so much QQ