[Item/Suggestion] European Cavalry sword & Heavy greatsword

[owens]

I Like the model

My only worry is the point. It is very thin and pointy at the....point and could be very hard to see. We have enough invisitip and misleading weapon models as it is.


Stats are fair. Maybe it should make the big 107 reach?

[Osakasa]

I really like this sword, good work Senni. If this sword is meant to be cav sword and be a competitor for ACS, the balance between two swords goes:

                Reach    Damage (swing)
Sword A:  longer   less
Sword B:  shorter  higher

Why? Because +98% of hits on horseback are swings, so if this new sword has exactly the same reach but swing damage is lower, i would go ACS. I don't mind about rest of the stats (spd, mass etc.) but imo this is a big picture how to balance cav swords.

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Nice little extra would be secondary mode as a 2h weapon if this had same reach but lower swing damage but that's another story though. Anyways, great work Senni

Osa|Kasa|la

[Algarn]

Me gusta, get a +1.

Also, it could be a 1h/2h like lange messer.

[Angellore]

What about making it 106 length (...)

Maybe it should make the big 107 reach?

                Reach    Damage (swing)
Sword A:  longer   less
Sword B:  shorter  higher
Why? Because +98% of hits on horseback are swings, so if this new sword has exactly the same reach but swing damage is lower, i would go ACS. I don't mind about rest of the stats (spd, mass etc.) but imo this is a big picture how to balance cav swords.

And this is why balancing this sword can give a headache to item balancers. Current problem is more in Arabian Cavalry Sword than anything else. Right now Arabian Cavalry Sword has weight advantage, swing damage advantage and length advantage. It has everything which is important on horseback. That's the main reason why it will be hard to add something to compete with it.
Like Kafein and Owens mentioned, making new sword longer than Arabian would be nice option. The problem is, people already considers Arabian as too long weapon, so putting even longer 1h weapon to the game is a risky move.
Probably best solution would be to shorten Arabian Cavalry Sword by 2-3 length points, but as I understand, this is out of discussion? That would require model change, and will make a lot of people unhappy. But yeah, since Arabian got 33 cut damage on swing, it would make more sense to make it shorter (102-103 length), and new weapon with 32 swing damage longer (105 length). So it would be length for damage trade (best possible solution, like few people already mentioned).

[Kafein]

Possibly, it could be almost identical to the ACS, just with a better stab.

It could be 104 length, 96 speed, 21p and 33c

Or, harder hitting and slower, but the model wouldn't make sense:

104 length, 94 speed, 20p, 34c

[Sniger]

love the idea of alternative 105 length cav swords. its needed. i think this one looks too much like the italian sword though. i guess they are similar swords but a cav sword would be alot broader yes? anyway good idea, +200! deffy need more cav swords.

[Senni__Ti]

Redid the pommel texture + UV map, updated OP.

[Soldier_of_God]

YES

[Franke]

A good idea and a nice looking model. I use Knightly Arming Sword when on horseback. Do your sword's 105 length make so much of a difference compared to the KAS's 102?

[Miwiw]

Yes Franke. It's far more easier to hit with a Arabian Cavalry Sword than with a Knightly Arming Sword. People with a ACS have such an easy time. KAS isn't a bad sword but I noticed myself that I don't hit as many targets than compared to a ACS. ^^

An European Cavalry Sword would be really nice, with that length. Something nice for HRE for example, for sure.

[Gurnisson]

The length increase is not that huge, but the higher damage is very important.

[Senni__Ti]

The length increase is not that huge, but the higher damage is very important.

Agreed, and the ACS has both (compared to other 1hs).

What would people prefer as an alternative to the ACS?
Less slash + more stab, same length?
Less dmg + more length?
More dmg + less length?
etc.

Wondering if I should tweak the model basically.

[722_]

I think  length + swing damage is all that matter for a cav sword and if these where inferior people will still take the ACS. The best solution i can think of is to have the length and swing the damage the same and have either less weight and more thrust damage or the other way around with more weight and less thrust. the swords would be almost be identical which actually might not be a bad thing. whatever happens im looking forward to it, I cant use ACS with HRE restrictions

[San]

Stab has a use, people just don't use it that often. I like its precision and it's better in certain confrontations.

[Gurnisson]

I think  length + swing damage is all that matter for a cav sword and if these where inferior people will still take the ACS.

Personal preference. A stab is great for killing other cavalry, particularly 1h and 2h cav.