Does anyone else think horse price scaled too hard?

[PhantomZero]

Thing is pikes and long spears also frihtfully expensive and most of the longer polearms.  So most of the hard counters to cav are nonexistent or very rare in most fights.  So rouncey riders will have more free rein than you hing.  Stakes will almost never appear until people have more discretionary funds.

Bamboo spears are cheap, and fauchards can work in a pinch if you are fighting rounceys.

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

Yeah Kesh but now literally any pierce polearm stab--even a 2h in polearm mode, I've heard--can rear a horse. A fucking shortened spear can rear a horse.

[Jack1]

Any polarm or halfswording over 100 length and a pierce stab.

[chadz]

I don't think the weapon stuff is increased micromanagement, because it's 100% optional. Do nothing, and it's just like in previous strat, everyone uses everything. But you have the option of controlling who gets what a bit.

[Lt_Anders]

I don't think the weapon stuff is increased micromanagement, because it's 100% optional. Do nothing, and it's just like in previous strat, everyone uses everything. But you have the option of controlling who gets what a bit.

I like the management(i guess? to early to tell), but you gotta fix the horse prices. I can just buy plate armor long before I buy horses. You're killing off a class for strat almost entirely for at least half of the current strat round.

[chadz]

I'm not adjusting prices just yet, but I will probably change some class prices individually (first and foremost construction stuff)

[Torben]

Yeah Kesh but now literally any pierce polearm stab--even a 2h in polearm mode, I've heard--can rear a horse. A fucking shortened spear can rear a horse.

as ive read this is true,  however low damage stabs and glances do not rear the horse,  buffing heavy cav a lot.  i really like that (although im a light cav player)

[Gurnisson]

and with a rouncey you can easily do better than melee players even if it isn't a good horse by any means.

Much easier to carry teams as infantry.

[Butan]

I dont think there should be re-scale in favor of horses.

You can have plate infantry armies before you have heavy cavalrymen, and how that is a problem?
A good balanced army of infantry-cavalry will rape a plate focused infantry army any day on a open battlefield.

Also there is good medium-heavy horses available at affordable prices (when comparing with plate) : barded warhorse and destrier.



The construction materials need re-scaling yes, else we will not see a single weapon rack/respawn tent in months. But even if there was no re-scale, I trust players to try their best at trade-milking as fast as possible to make everything important available.

[imisshotmail]

Much easier to carry teams as infantry.

Not true at all if you are good at cavalry, but there is very few who are.
(this is even with completely disregarding the fact that when cav are not on their horse they are just melee players with a slightly worse build)

[Gurnisson]

Not true at all if you are good at cavalry, but there is very few who are.
(this is even with completely disregarding the fact that when cav are not on their horse they are just melee players with a slightly worse build)

We're talking strategus battles here. If you really believe a good cavalry player has more influence on a strategus battle than an infantry (as skilled as him), then I don't know what to say. That's not true at all from my experience. I would top all field battles as cavalry, but I could influence much more as an infantry pikeman or shielder.

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And putting the cavalry on a rouncey (average horse) just makes it even more obvious

[Jack1]

Wait a sec, are you talking about how you feel in game or when you look at a roster you think"he's good but he's only cav"?

In terms of effectiveness I think that cav are the make or break point in a field battle.

[Butan]

We're talking strategus battles here. If you really believe a good cavalry player has more influence on a strategus battle than an infantry (as skilled as him), then I don't know what to say. That's not true at all from my experience. I would top all field battles as cavalry, but I could influence much more as an infantry pikeman or shielder.

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And putting the cavalry on a rouncey (average horse) just makes it even more obvious

I have a more balanced opinion of strategus battles experiences.


It is right that a few very aware and dedicated spearmen can perfectly overcome any uncoordinated -or even organised- cavalry charges, but those few very aware and dedicated spearmen are not always here or battle-ready for various reasons (not rostering, battle time and duration, personal exhaustion, leader under using them, bad item selection, bad map).

Then if the cavalry opposing them is sufficient in quality and number, even those excellent spearmen wont be able to cover the whole battlefield, and the cavalry will be able to greatly support their infantry with bump and slash and backstabbing couchs/whatever.



Basically, I have had various experiences in battle where cavalry was present where the general feeling would range from :

- where is their cavalry ? (reading: not efficient for X reasons, thus raped and under-represented)
- their cavalry is raping us! (reading: efficient for X reasons, thus bumping and harassing greatly)



Also need to take into account cavalry vs cavalry metagame, sometimes even if you have good spearmen and "interdict" group of infantry to be bumped, cavalry can still rape YOUR cavalry, which will use up tickets and work in favor of a overall victory.

[CrazyCracka420]

Wait a sec, are you talking about how you feel in game or when you look at a roster you think"he's good but he's only cav"?

In terms of effectiveness I think that cav are the make or break point in a field battle.

On rounceys?

You'd rather have one destrier or 60 people in plate armor?  There is a right and wrong answer here, and it's glaringly obvious. 

Also any polearm (or half-sword in polearm mode) that has pierce stab can rear horses now.  Horses are going to be used like they are in NA1 or EU1, only to back stab or pick off stragglers.  Good bye cavalry charges (which were already retarded to begin with). 

Also about gear assigning, I think that's amazing.  You can effectively stop yourself from being item bombed (just assign shitty/excess gear to level 11 or 0, I forget which).  And then you can allow your best players to use the best equipment.  I think it would be cool to have peasant armies with 2 heroes in heavier mail or plate armor.  It might even feel more like medieval battles, where only a select few are wearing good equipment, and the rest are using much cheaper gear.

[Corsair831]

keep horses expensive, horses are absolutely essential to winning field battles; something which gives you a huge advantage like that should be a choice

"do i spend my money on better armour/weapons or armoured horses?"

really love the new price scaling system, especially for horses (and this is coming from a faction leader who intends to fight a lot of field battles)