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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2013, 03:00:27 am »
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Yeah, this length&weight vs speed factor bugs me too. LS/HBS/BS are perfectly balanced between each others, but katana's stats don't align with them.

On the other hand I kind of like katana being shittier than those others, because it keeps it from becoming too mainstream.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to try to get it buffed but just reworked. I think the katana should have more speed and less swing damage.
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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2013, 03:11:12 am »
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That's what the bastard sword is already like. Current BS is like the pre-buff katana but better in a few areas. It'll be hard to do adjust the swing/damage of katana like that without the katana or BS being straight up inferior to the other one.

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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2013, 03:21:09 am »
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That's what the bastard sword is already like. Current BS is like the pre-buff katana but better in a few areas. It'll be hard to do adjust the swing/damage of katana like that without the katana or BS being straight up inferior to the other one.

The stab would remain the same for the katana, so it would be the inferior option in this position. I wanted to swing my sword so fast that a hurricane would form on the opposite side of the world.
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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2013, 05:46:34 am »
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Who knew cRPG had so many ancient weapon masters?

cRPG is not balanced by realism, so this argument over which one is historically better is useless.
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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2013, 05:50:13 am »
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Who knew cRPG had so many ancient weapon masters?

cRPG is not balanced by realism, so this argument over which one is historically better is useless.
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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2013, 04:43:30 pm »
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That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in cRPG right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I’m talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that’s about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana. Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind. Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I’m pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash. Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That’s right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in cRPG. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
weapon length: 95
weight: 1.5
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 110
thrust damage: 30 pierce
swing damage: 48 cut
slots: 2

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don’t you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in cRPG, see my new stat block.

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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2013, 05:28:55 pm »
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the katana used to be the only weapon where i thought, what is that doing here with them stats, mass damage and no problem spam.

but now its ok, so is the longsword, both are good to fight against and can counter easy enough.
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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2013, 09:26:28 pm »
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I should know what I’m talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that’s about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana. Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind. Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I’m pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash. Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That’s right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in cRPG. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
weapon length: 95
weight: 1.5
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 110
thrust damage: 30 pierce
swing damage: 48 cut
slots: 2

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don’t you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in cRPG, see my new stat block.

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O man, your funny.

Lets do some thinking based on reality. If you use a sword that cost you a lot (I guess its a lot for you since you are clearly showing off), why are you cutting blocks of steel with it?

If you got a sword made in japan, today, I guarantee either a/ it was NOT made with native japanese steel or b/ you got ripped off.

The folding technique was to provide the blade enough strengh and remove its brittle qualities, inherent in the crap iron deposits that japan has.

Using that technique with modern steel from good ore and a good mix could make a VERY nice blade. Likewise, using modern steel for plate armor would make it immune to your katana. A longsword made from modern steel vs a modern steel breatplate: would maybe penetrate, who knows, noone is in the business of making authentic period weapons and armor from modern steel and then smashing them.

Europeans where NOT afraid of conquering japan, for 2 reasons: the vast majority of europeans didnt even know that japan excisted, and if they had WHY would they conquer it? Small landmass, massively unstable geographically, with very poor natural resources...

Stop watching anime dude.
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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2013, 10:01:00 pm »
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Katanas were known to cut through machine gun barrels of American G.I.s during WW2, look it up it's a proven fact.

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Katanas are the greatest swords of all time, no question about it. If anything they should be unblockable because IRL they would just cut through the enemy's weapon.
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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2013, 10:04:32 pm »
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That looks more like 1h OP to me. 1h no shield katana and we will all be battosai.

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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2013, 10:05:25 pm »
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I think you (Legs) confuse "katana" with "lightsaber".  :wink:     (intensified)
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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2013, 10:11:50 pm »
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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2013, 10:28:13 pm »
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I fucking read it like 9 times, but decided it was too much. Did I really get it wrong? FUCK. I just didn't think anyone could it pour it so thick for so long without even a wink...

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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2013, 05:38:18 am »
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cant a katana cut through a fencing sword it would be like scooby doo salami versus sword
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Re: Longsword vs Katana
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2013, 02:21:36 pm »
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legs is trolling the entire community, no one would pay 20,000 for a katana and go and actually use it. BTW guys, not a single sword in the world could slash through a well made full plate armor. That is why in the late 15th and 16th century shields becames more and more obsolete, 2handed weapons became more common for the plated knight. Because of the arms and armor race constantly going on, weapons developed to counter this ofcourse, so european swords became sturdier and more pointy to be beter at stabbing. You might think stabbing would penetrate the armor, but barely, it might have gone through the armor, but let me remind you that there would be a gambeson underneath the plate. Not only that, but your weapon would be stuck in your enemies armor, so that would give your opponent(who might be lightly wounded or not at all) the chance to stab you in the face. So, to be able to do some serious damage to a knight in plate armor you would have to find gaps in the armor to stab through, usually those were located in the armpits, near the genetals and if the breastplate consisted of multiple parts, inbetween those. To counter this lame ass tactic there small patches of mail were sewn to the gambeson on the places that were less protected by the plates, these things are called plate companion sets.

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