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Will Putin command further invasion of Ukraine:

He will and he should, because <random witty/boring reason>
He will, but he should not, because <random witty/boring reason>
He will not, because <random witty/boring reason>
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8070 on: February 09, 2015, 03:47:56 am »
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Well Lithuania was probably worse than others:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Lithuania

Anyway. This is a digression gone too far already..

IMO it's clear:

Russian propaganda is shouting out about russophobia and naz is, while there are more neo-naz is in Russia than anywhere else. (Something pretty insane, considering what nazis thought about Russians..)

Whatever. The reasons for Neonaz ism in eastern europe, and in the world, are the same as any subculture of the violent sort: From bikers in america to polish or british hooligans to norwegian black metal to romanian and italian goths to radical punks, to young islamists, or even many people in many armies all over.

It's a culture with simple, clear answers, with a bad boy image, being feared/respected, brotherhood. This is especially powerful for people who don't have a future, or no means to develop, get rich, or display their manliness otherwise. In Ukraine they happened to find a scene where they could fight for an actual cause. They fought and won, and made sure they could not be ignored by the new government.

That's all. No one is out to GET or Take russia. No neonaz is have real political power in europe. Most europeans simply want to live in peace, and have moderate capitalism, they want to get rid of corruption, and they don't like it when old superpowers invades Ukraine, who seems to want the same as them. Russohpobia, Naz is: Just BS packaged and sold to the Russian people so they will support the meaningless war.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8071 on: February 09, 2015, 09:23:48 am »
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[...] Also the Wehrmacht plus the Polizeibataillone im Hinterland where anything but 'relatively decent' to anyone.
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I don't like the generalization in this context. The Wehrmacht had overall from 35 to 45 something around 18 million active soldiers. The huge majority of those were relatively decent in their conduct during war.
There were nonetheless special units which had to sole goal to harass and spread terror. Still, saying "the Wehrmacht" weren't decent people is factual wrong when you talk about the whole of it.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8072 on: February 09, 2015, 09:35:13 am »
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Sadly - no english subtitles, but lets play a game: GUESS WHO is a journalist of one of few remaining oposition news sources in russia and what she does not get a chance to talk about!  :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZVHRYGQB-I

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8073 on: February 09, 2015, 10:17:06 am »
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Sadly - no english subtitles, but lets play a game: GUESS WHO is a journalist of one of few remaining oposition news sources in russia and what she does not get a chance to talk about!  :rolleyes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZVHRYGQB-I
Ksenia journalist?!!
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8074 on: February 09, 2015, 10:37:15 am »
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Ksenia journalist?!!
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And this most likely is THE "journalist" by your definition, so yeah, thanks :)
https://www.youtube.com/user/gwplondon

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8075 on: February 09, 2015, 10:42:27 am »
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And this most likely is THE "journalist" by your definition, so yeah, thanks :)
https://www.youtube.com/user/gwplondon
Ksenia journalist!!
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8076 on: February 09, 2015, 08:31:41 pm »
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Guys, I'm confused. Why is Putin negotiating with Ukraine about a possible truce when Russia has nothing to do with the crisis, RT and Tovi told me so.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8077 on: February 09, 2015, 08:51:28 pm »
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Because he saw what Clinton/Bush/Obama did in the past.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8078 on: February 10, 2015, 12:04:55 am »
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Guys, I'm confused. Why is Putin negotiating with Ukraine about a possible truce when Russia has nothing to do with the crisis, RT and Tovi told me so.

This is 2nd biggest question in the known universe right after who killed JFK.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8079 on: February 10, 2015, 12:07:04 am »
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Because he saw what Clinton/Bush/Obama did in the past.

Clinton/Bush/Obama did that because they saw what Stalin/einstein did.
Stalin/einstein did that because they saw that saying #nohomo didn't work.

How is it even relevant?

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8080 on: February 10, 2015, 01:00:05 am »
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Clinton/Bush/Obama did that because they saw what Stalin/einstein did.
Stalin/einstein did that because they saw that saying #nohomo didn't work.

How is it even relevant?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8081 on: February 10, 2015, 02:06:27 am »
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It is relevant because Putin is acting as "peacekeeper", even though he has huge responsibly for what is happening in URK. American tactics, they did it many times in the past.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8082 on: February 10, 2015, 08:19:32 am »
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Guys, I'm confused. Why is Putin negotiating with Ukraine about a possible truce when Russia has nothing to do with the crisis, RT and Tovi told me so.
Kiev does not negotiate directly with the DNR as in this case they recognize indirectly they as a  something more then just a terrorists. So Russia mediates between Kiev and DNR.
Dat situation for Kiev is profitable. because Not far people immediately think that the Russian side in the conflict  :P
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8083 on: February 10, 2015, 08:35:12 am »
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It is relevant because Putin is acting as "peacekeeper", even though he has huge responsibly for what is happening in URK. American tactics, they did it many times in the past.

That's a fail logic, I think that we discussed it here even more times than saying that Tovi is an idiot. How can it justify his actions? It could only be discussable if Russia did it to USA.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #8084 on: February 10, 2015, 08:42:39 am »
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Kiev does not negotiate directly with the DNR as in this case they recognize indirectly they as a  something more then just a terrorists. So Russia mediates between Kiev and DNR.
Dat situation for Kiev is profitable. because Not far people immediately think that the Russian side in the conflict  :P

Suppose you have a thug beating the crap out of you, because "<artificial reasons>", and there is a sadist mafia boss behind the thug, who HAS imaginary reasons for beating the crap out of you. You are currently wondering, why is it not worth to discuss the resolution of imaginary reasons and instead find some pseudo bullshit, which would support the "<artificial reasons>".

Were you paid to express this "opinion"? :)