Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Osiris]

Ukraine has launched a treason case against its new navy chief after he switched allegiance to the pro-Russian Crimea region amid escalating tensions in the country.

[Corwin]

Nice analysis of USA options:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/world/europe/russia-to-pay-not-so-simple.html?hp&_r=3

[Butan]

Why treason since Crimea is russian territory?

Thats what people will say in the near future... Or so it seems.



NATO secretary general speech was rather underwhelming and short 

[[ptx]]

Sick.

[pepejul]

Only youngs are beated there ? Sad video...

[pepejul]

What exactly do we see here?

I think they are young pro-Eu beated by pro-Russia pple in East Ukraine...M I right ?

[serr]

Yes, you are right

[Lt_Anders]

If they are chanting BERKUT then they are pro-Rus not Pro-EU. Pretty simple.

Seems Berkut is something of a rally cry.

Over here in US, I asked around my work. Most didn't even know Ukraine had a revolt or just new something wasn't right over in Ukraine. To far away for the masses to care. Now a guy I know who is joining the Peace corp and I had a chat. He was actually all for Russia taking it over and letting everyone sort it for themselves(Paraphrased, but that's what he ment, though not said exactly like that). We were also discussing liklihood of something actually happening. He said Putin already won and everyone else is going to back down. Course he also agrees that the US won't do shit, and EU can't handle this cause it sucks.

[Boerenlater]

If they are chanting BERKUT then they are pro-Rus not Pro-EU. Pretty simple.

Seems Berkut is something of a rally cry.

Over here in US, I asked around my work. Most didn't even know Ukraine had a revolt or just new something wasn't right over in Ukraine. To far away for the masses to care. Now a guy I know who is joining the Peace corp and I had a chat. He was actually all for Russia taking it over and letting everyone sort it for themselves(Paraphrased, but that's what he ment, though not said exactly like that). We were also discussing liklihood of something actually happening. He said Putin already won and everyone else is going to back down. Course he also agrees that the US won't do shit, and EU can't handle this cause it sucks.

I'm afraid you are right.

[Perverz]

Sick.

fucking animals.
napalm should be used against this savages

[Corwin]

If they are chanting BERKUT then they are pro-Rus not Pro-EU. Pretty simple.

Seems Berkut is something of a rally cry.

Over here in US, I asked around my work. Most didn't even know Ukraine had a revolt or just new something wasn't right over in Ukraine. To far away for the masses to care. Now a guy I know who is joining the Peace corp and I had a chat. He was actually all for Russia taking it over and letting everyone sort it for themselves(Paraphrased, but that's what he ment, though not said exactly like that). We were also discussing liklihood of something actually happening. He said Putin already won and everyone else is going to back down. Course he also agrees that the US won't do shit, and EU can't handle this cause it sucks.

The only unknown in all of this is what Ukrainians are gonna do. Military response would lead to disaster, especially with loyalties divided. I mean, their chief of navy deserted. Chief of Navy, ffs. Also, it would give Putin excuse to do the same thing he did in Georgia. In Georgia he did not engage Russian military (while South Osetians were provoking all the time with bombing and artillery attacks) until Sakashvili gave him an excuse by ordering his troops to attack. The "war" lasted for like three days. In three days they have completely devastated Georgian military machine. There are lot of parallels that can be drawn here. However, Putin has, time and again, proved that he is very unpredictable player. All that KGB schooling at work.

[Lt_Anders]

Well, as I said, this will come down to who blinks first.

[Moncho]

Interesting conclussion from: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2014/03/02/the-invasion-of-crimea-is-russias-worst-foreign-policy-blunder-in-a-generation/
Russia will “succeed” in the narrow sense of taking over Crimea and, perhaps, other parts of Eastern Ukraine. But from a strategic perspective its intervention in Ukraine will be a disaster: it will seriously weaken an already stuttering economy and will poison relations with a host of countries with which Russia needs to have productive working relationships. It might appear that Russia is confidently asserting its power in its neighborhood, but it is actually making a blunder of historic proportions.
Also http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/russia-vladimir-putin-the-west-104134.html#.UxOm4vR_soZ

[Butan]

fucking animals.
napalm should be used against this savages

Yes, burn them, then make those guys parliament members :

Those kind of vids are hard to find but just wanted to remember people violence is both side, and it happens mostly when someone has the upper hand, a.k.a. victor takes the spoils.
In both videos you can see people that try to stop, protect, and other people who wants to kick/punch/throw things... welcome to riots.

[Tagora]

Interesting conclussion from: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2014/03/02/the-invasion-of-crimea-is-russias-worst-foreign-policy-blunder-in-a-generation/
Russia will “succeed” in the narrow sense of taking over Crimea and, perhaps, other parts of Eastern Ukraine. But from a strategic perspective its intervention in Ukraine will be a disaster: it will seriously weaken an already stuttering economy and will poison relations with a host of countries with which Russia needs to have productive working relationships. It might appear that Russia is confidently asserting its power in its neighborhood, but it is actually making a blunder of historic proportions.
Also http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/russia-vladimir-putin-the-west-104134.html#.UxOm4vR_soZ

I agree but only to an extent.  Russia's western supporters, those that already exist, probably don't give a damn about Crimea.  And when this is all over and things are "settled" it's not like Russia is suddenly going to disappear.  People will be riled up about this for awhile but soon it will pass just as all wars have passed.  Many people have died over Crimea and many more probably will.  Business will go on as usual.