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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #480 on: February 23, 2014, 08:49:13 pm »
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Speaking of russian media:

A russian TV does a live interview with the "wrong" politician, asking an opposition member for comments by mistake :lol:

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #481 on: February 23, 2014, 11:09:36 pm »
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The english traduction in the description of the video for the lazy like me:


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A fairly unexpected, yet very straight-forward statement, as for Russian television, was made by Leonid Pilunsky, a member of Crimean Parliament today.
In a live feed of Russian news on a state run station, an anchor asked MP Leonid Pilunsky from Crimea about the situation there.

Here is his response:

"In Crimea everything is peaceful; except that we feel that the Crimean's government consisting of members of the Party of Regions that have been in power for the last 12 years have stolen from people so much that they are afraid of any changes in government. They are the only ones that worsen situation in Crimnea, and organize "titushki" and "gopniki" for some meetings. Yesterday, they attempted to change the Constitution even though Crimnea's government has no power to do so since they do not represent all citizens of Crimnea. The situation is calm for the most part; people do not participate in their organized meetings. Any support for Maidan is peaceful and absolutely harmless...Maximum 200 people will come together in support of Maidan in Crimea, and they quietly and peacefully..... [the phone line got disconnected and the TV anchor blamed bad telephone connection]. "




What does "titushki" and "gopniki" means exactly?

And is what the man says a proof that some regions are already trying to seek to secede or basically change their flags?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #482 on: February 23, 2014, 11:32:43 pm »
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Titushki/gopniki are bandits and thugs that are allegedly hired by government to harass and attack protesters and opposition members.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titushky

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #483 on: February 24, 2014, 09:10:11 am »
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22.04 Reuters is reporting that a prominent Russian state TV host has said that ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych betrayed his people when he fled Kiev, an uncompromising verdict on a leader President Vladimir Putin had hoped would bring Ukraine closer to Moscow's orbit.


Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10656312/Ukraine-revolution-live.html

Apparently, the Russians are abandoning this failed politician.
I mean, what have you got to lose? You know, you come from nothing, you're going back to nothing, what have you lost? Nothing!

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #484 on: February 24, 2014, 09:12:19 am »
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Everyone is abandoning him now.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #485 on: February 24, 2014, 09:20:59 am »
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I mean, what have you got to lose? You know, you come from nothing, you're going back to nothing, what have you lost? Nothing!

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #486 on: February 24, 2014, 09:33:29 am »
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Check out this video from 18th Feb:

http://www.pravda.com.ua/photo-video/2014/02/23/7015996/

impressive video,  thank you corwin.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #487 on: February 24, 2014, 02:16:03 pm »
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22.04 Reuters is reporting that a prominent Russian state TV host has said that ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych betrayed his people when he fled Kiev, an uncompromising verdict on a leader President Vladimir Putin had hoped would bring Ukraine closer to Moscow's orbit.


Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10656312/Ukraine-revolution-live.html

Apparently, the Russians are abandoning this failed politician.


Could be a hint but we would need more to be sure that Russia is abandoning him. Isnt he atm believed to be near the Russian border, kinda under their protection?

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #488 on: February 24, 2014, 02:21:54 pm »
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Nah, he is really abandoned by everyone, the main problem right now is in Crimea - there people ask Putin to protect them from ukrainian chocolate chip cookies.
As for Yanukovich, they call him traitor.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #489 on: February 24, 2014, 03:18:57 pm »
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One thing I do not understand, and I would appreaciate if someone explained it to me. How come Crimea went to Ukraine in the first place, after dissolution of USSR?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #490 on: February 24, 2014, 03:49:40 pm »
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea
On 19 February 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union issued a decree transferring the Crimean Oblast from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #491 on: February 24, 2014, 04:00:38 pm »
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Well, it doesn't really explain political implications that led to that decision, and the reason why this wasn't renegotiated when it became clear that Ukraine and Russia will separate. As this article on Wiki says, people on Crimea were going back and forth between desire to be part of Ukraine and to be independent (probably to be able to join Russia).
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #492 on: February 24, 2014, 04:44:12 pm »
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USSR wasn't really known for respecting the wishes of its populace or logic or other things.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #493 on: February 24, 2014, 04:46:53 pm »
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Probably just one side or the other (russian or independance) won influence back and forth during all those years.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #494 on: February 24, 2014, 05:35:39 pm »
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One thing I do not understand, and I would appreaciate if someone explained it to me. How come Crimea went to Ukraine in the first place, after dissolution of USSR?

In 1954 it was transferred to Ukraine and was a part of Ukraine since then. Apparently it remained a part of Ukraine after USSR got dissolved.