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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2013, 04:52:16 pm »
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Instastab shit is op, ofc it is overused.
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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2013, 04:54:40 pm »
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I stab with my horse, then my lance, then I get off and stab with the side of my bardiche, then I stab with my long dagger. Finally, I stab with my penis.
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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2013, 04:57:28 pm »
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Recent 1h and polearm stab tweaks made them the best animation available to these classes in most situations. They now function much like the 2h stab has always done, able to deal high damage until the arse end of the animation, but the OP ness of the 2h stab animation caused that stab damage values are usually in the 24-28 range, whereas polearm and 1h still have a lot of stabs with 30+ pierce.

There is barely any point in using other weapons than awlpikes or sideswords because the stabs are so fucking sweet. Latest patch tried to balance this out by changing stats of popular stab weapons, which is the wrong way of correcting for an overbuff of the animation. It is not only a problem that these stabs deal too much damage, it is also fucking frustrating to have everyone walking around with a lightning fast, accurate and ridiculous reach attack. What should be done is a partial revert of the 1h stab animation buff, a revert of the polearm stab animation buff and a slight nerf for the 2h stab animation.

1h stab was crap, polearm stab was strong enough, 2h stab was too good. Equalize at polearm level, not at 2h level.

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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2013, 05:04:30 pm »
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Agreed, 2h stab animation was OP forever.  That should have been fixed (nerfed), 1h should have been buffed slightly, and polearm left alone. 

I still think that people are overestimating how powerful stabs are nowadays (they should be fixed, but it's not the end of the world).  And it's not hard to block down if you think "everyone is always stabbing".  Stab only weapons are pretty easy to detect and you know that stab is the only thing that will hurt you, so block down. 
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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2013, 05:05:06 pm »
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stabs start dealing too much damage too early in the animation and it lasts too long, added to that is the speed bonus which works in mysterious way and the fact those animations mostly hit the head you get ridiculous ammouts of damage even from really light builds.

this should be corrected on all 3 types of stabs, the should start dealing max dmg later in the animation and the peak damage should be shorter.


edit: @cracka: it'a not about not getting hit by stabs you'll get hit with any type of attack, it's about the damage they make.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2013, 05:10:09 pm by Prpavi »
And now he can't play because of "common sense" and he doesn't understand how this common sense works
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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2013, 05:10:18 pm »
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You guys have way too much armor, that's why people abuse pierce damage. Cut damage is inefficient against plate and that's the main reason why everyone is stabbing these days.

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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2013, 05:21:06 pm »
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Stabs would naturally be more deadly than slashes.  Not really a problem IMHO.

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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2013, 05:23:54 pm »
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You guys have way too much armor, that's why people abuse pierce damage. Cut damage is inefficient against plate and that's the main reason why everyone is stabbing these days.

Ohh really?? People that use armor past the 18 weight are like really fucking rare, since heavy armor is shit.

The majority of the player base use light armor, cause footwork.
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2013, 05:39:29 pm »
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crpg is full of hipsters apparently (refering to all you people crying/whining/bitching)

guess what crackhead, whining about whining, makes you a whiner aswell
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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2013, 05:45:16 pm »
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Ohh really?? People that use armor past the 18 weight are like really fucking rare, since heavy armor is shit.

The majority of the player base use light armor, cause footwork.

Light armour being more popular than heavy armour in crpg? Don't make me laugh...
I voted Gurnisson cause of his fucking bendy pike, I swear noone can roflcopter stab like he can.

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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2013, 05:46:58 pm »
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before you start this debate, define heavy/medum/light armor

where do heavy start and medium stop? around Kuyaks? Sarranid Guard? Coat of Plates?
And now he can't play because of "common sense" and he doesn't understand how this common sense works
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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2013, 05:54:57 pm »
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Players don't use that much plate but Lordly Sarranid Guard Armor and Lordly Heavy Gauntlets combined have 66 body armor ratio, which is the same as regular Gothic Plate and regular Heavy Gauntlets for 80% less weight.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not for another armor looms nerf. But fact remains, that 21 STR build with 7 IF wearing lordly medium armor can survive a lot of hits. Another way is to nerf armor in general (regular armor) but I don't think that's a good idea. I've been playing too long without armor and with 65-70 HP, I know very well how many hits naked player with high HP can survive.

Maybe it's best to buff cut damage values as Tzar suggested.

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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2013, 06:12:04 pm »
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Chamber of tears??? really? dafuq  :?
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2013, 06:31:58 pm »
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Chamber of tears??? really? dafuq  :?

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Re: Stabbing is overused.....
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2013, 06:43:17 pm »
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Chamber of tears??? really? dafuq  :?

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Seems like a reasonable place to post a whine thread.
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