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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #120 on: October 22, 2013, 11:07:11 pm »
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I dunno, sitting pretty seems to be what you guys do best. Still, glad to see that you're interested in attacking a castle in addition to just stocking over ten thousand tickets inside of one you already own (one which, by the way, you yourself did not pay the "blood price" for either, as it hasn't seen a single fight yet this strat).

Wow, pot calling kettle black.  What have you been doing other than basically rolling over and playing dead after one gobblin fight, didnt you give them that castle ratehr than actually fighting because you bitch moded out like usual and now you give hoc grief for actually fighting unlike some cowards.  Desire has more balls than the entire rest of chaos when it comes to strat.
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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #121 on: October 22, 2013, 11:20:39 pm »
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Wow, pot calling kettle black.  What have you been doing other than basically rolling over and playing dead after one gobblin fight, didnt you give them that castle ratehr than actually fighting because you bitch moded out like usual and now you give hoc grief for actually fighting unlike some cowards.  Desire has more balls than the entire rest of chaos when it comes to strat.

I'm saying this coming from a place I know personally, yes. What I was responding to were some factual errors and one hypocritical indictment, thank you, which I also pointed out. That I got in a jibe at the end was to be expected in a response to such a taunting and ill-informed post.

I concede to know my place, however, and since we had neither the means nor the activity to hold onto our southern fiefs for much longer we didn't shift the resources to try and hold them for longer than we did. That we gave the castle to the gobblins was in the interest of ongoing fights, because we knew they'd be able to continue to hold out. I'm not giving HoC grief for fighting; on the contrary, I am worried about the fate of the castle once the fighting is done.

There's also less of a disconnect between what Desire does and what our faction aims to do than you think. Desire is, thankfully, an active player with an interest in the game, which, as a whole, my faction is rather short on lately.

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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #122 on: October 22, 2013, 11:48:25 pm »
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Delta, I'm not going to atttack you because you didn't attack me. Havelle was being a dick. So that's that.

Phantasmal, who the fuck is 'us'? Last I checked you were Astralis. We have no conflict with you. And the Gobblins DO have a 'offense is the best defense' strategy, one that served work against them until the last few sieges, one of which wasn't even mine. HoC's first siege didn't go very well because of this strategy and our roster being nearly 100% EU, as I said before, though I appreciate them all for signing up.  After that we nearly took the castle almost every single time, including Desire's attack, in which we not only made progress but very nearly DID go 1:1. The last two sieges, one of WFA's and one of HoC's, did not go well, no. In WFA's we had half the gear we should have and Finn was commanding on that castle for I THINK the first time. Because of the success the Goblins had that battle they no doubt decided to do it again. And despite holding pretty well for a while, at the end we did indeed lose the day when our tickets had been depleted. I do not claim victory or superiority where it is not mine to claim.  But tell me; which reinforcing army did those troops come in? the 6th? Maybe 7th? Do not pretend we have not given the Gobblins a fight.

And Canary...just do everyone a favor and shut your whore mouth. You contribute nothing to this entire discussion but to bash ME and my House?  What has Chaos done of late? I can tell you. Desire, who I don't even consider a true Chaos member because she has too much sense about her, has brought any and all honor to your shit faction. She is the only one who has done anything of worth for as long as I can remember. I wouldn't feel so badly towards Chaos if you had some control over your members, Canary, and there weren't rouges like Shik to go around backstabbing people and lying through their teeth; he shames himself and the name of your House, and then himself some more by losing to my men, though he had the advantage of surprise, superior gear, and a superior roster.  Indeed, I watched him turn tail and run after his shameful defeat at New Amashke and swore an oath to destroy his fucking face at every possible opportunity. I have never hated Chaos, and I do not now, nor is HoC hostile towards you, but when the Gobblins came you bent over and took it up the ass as gladly as a fat kid eats cake.  Yet you remain independent, and you sit in your city and do...absolutely nothing. You DARE insult my House while you sit around jerking Daruvian off? You dare insult ME for bringing the only activity in the whole of the Realm to the people? Get a fucking grip on reality bro. Go back to sitting quietly behind your high walls while Desire earns respect for herself. When you've done a single thing of worth that isn't total bullshit, then I won't fight back to your opinion. But as of now, keep your damn mouth shut about my clan's affairs unless you have something to say that involved using half of your  ape-shit brain.


Edit: Canary, I see you have responded before my post was done being written. I have read it and re-read your original and feel I should say a word or two to better address the things you pointed out. But I maintain what I said.  You say my post was hypocritical and ill-informed. I am not sure WHY you say this, because it was quite true. If I HAVE made a mistake on the exact K:D's, then my apologies, but I ask you look at the records before you contradict me on them. I am speaking form memory, but my memory is usually pretty good. I do know my numbers as far as what we sent against you and what you reinforced with are correct. Not all of your reinforcements fought, but most did, and most died.  It is only to be expected that many more attackers die at a castle, and I am very happy with the results so far all things considered. Now Canary, you speak of the gear. I remember attacking Unuzdaq and seeing lots of shiny-ass gear. I never asked what it was or paid too much attention-I was too busy burying my axe in those wearing it. It may not have been plate exactly, but it certainly wasn't shit gear. If you found damaged transitional, that was probably ours. We had some on our armies, but certainly not enough for even the majority of the troops.  Lastly, you say Desire is acting more closely with Chaos than we think; why then did she siege Unuzdaq with us independently, promising to turn it over to HoC should she capture it, and asking nothing in return? It seems to me that through your contradicting and unclear statement you seem to say that you gave Unuzdaq over to the Gobblins because you could not hold it and they could; it seems to me then that you were trying to prevent HoC from taking it while being unable and/or unwilling to defend it yourself. Would it make any sense, then, for Desire to help us if you indeed wanted to hold Unuzdaq against us? No, I think her actions are exactly as they appear. She honors her House, but lacks active leadership to direct her. Fortunately she can take care of herself, which seems to be more than can be said about some, but not all, of Chaos.  I did not attack you Canary, but you attacked me, even with your initially peaceful tone. It is not our fault that no man has had either the balls or the interest, depending on the man, to attack Almerra. We defend ourselves as we see fit, and the only time we did any camping is when we were disbanded due to inactivity. I said nothing of your inactivity until you tried to discredit my House. I do not judge, only fight back against those who judge me unreasonably. You have done so, and you are an asshat for it.
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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #123 on: October 22, 2013, 11:58:06 pm »
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Looks like kesh graduated his first class from "advanced posting the Kesh experience".

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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #124 on: October 23, 2013, 12:21:48 am »
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Phantasmal, who the fuck is 'us'? Last I checked you were Astralis. We have no conflict with you. And the Gobblins DO have a 'offense is the best defense' strategy, one that served work against them until the last few sieges, one of which wasn't even mine. HoC's first siege didn't go very well because of this strategy and our roster being nearly 100% EU, as I said before, though I appreciate them all for signing up.  After that we nearly took the castle almost every single time, including Desire's attack, in which we not only made progress but very nearly DID go 1:1. The last two sieges, one of WFA's and one of HoC's, did not go well, no. In WFA's we had half the gear we should have and Finn was commanding on that castle for I THINK the first time. Because of the success the Goblins had that battle they no doubt decided to do it again. And despite holding pretty well for a while, at the end we did indeed lose the day when our tickets had been depleted. I do not claim victory or superiority where it is not mine to claim.  But tell me; which reinforcing army did those troops come in? the 6th? Maybe 7th? Do not pretend we have not given the Gobblins a fight.

Total fights against Unuzdaq castle involving HoC and "allies" vs. GOBBLINs and CHAOS
HoC total losses (NOT including those lost due to flag cap): 11510
Total losses by GOBBLINS and CHAOS: 7541
KD at Unuzdaq castle: 1:1.5
KD minus WFA's attack: 1:1.48

Total fights vs. Amashke
HoC: 4728
Others: 4028
KD: 1:1.17

Total KD involving Amashke and Unuzdaq: 1:1.4

That is nowhere near 1:1. If it wasn't for Desire, who was the only one to approach a 1:1 ratio, it would be much worse as well. I have no idea where you are pulling your "statistics" from, but it is obviously not from the website. As a sidenote, I joined the GOBBLINs when they first started (which is why I say "us"). Be thankful we have such an aggressive defense strategy or your numbers would be even worse. As for the battles I was in, you were nowhere near taking the castle anytime.

But prove me wrong, keep throwing your troops at our fiefs. :lol:
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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #125 on: October 23, 2013, 01:01:37 am »
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I did not know you joined the Gobblins. My mistake and apologies. But saying 1:1.4 is nowhere near 1:1? Come now. I say if you were smart you WOULDN'T adopt an aggressive defense, for as you said, I should 'be thankful' you do. This is a ridiculous conversation. My armies went against an inactive fief to provide enjoyment to the community and to establish ourselves once more, and here you are, shit posting us for it. We haven't been so unsuccessful. That's all I was saying, and to think otherwise is silly. I offered no insult to anyone, but rather defended my clan's honor that that of my allies. I'll never understand where this hatred for HoC comes from, not will I attempt to convince a bunch of asshats to believe anything contrary to it if they won't, but I will not take it idly. As attackers against a particularly difficult castle to siege against opponents both far bigger and with vastly more resources we have done pretty damn well. I think your evidence, Phantasmal, proves that more than anything else. Considering our disadvantages an unbiased onlooker might actually praise what we have attempted to do and our performance. I see no reason for you all to be so condescending and hateful. What have I done to you to make you so damn hostile? Or are you that miserable and trollish that you must attack HoC and anyone else you can in any way possible at every possible opportunity? I do not accuse, but ask.
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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #126 on: October 23, 2013, 01:04:41 am »
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You've given a castle and a fief or two to them, and Anders was the person who originally took it.  I'm just thinking of ways you could utilize taking a shitty fief is all.

FCC gave WFA nothing. In fact, GoW(gobs now) WERE going to take it, and they let ME take it instead.

WFA bought Rhadogir, for what, I don't know. I'm just a limited troop supplier/money dealer(and help them manage shit, they haven't been good at it).

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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #127 on: October 23, 2013, 01:16:23 am »
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I did not know you joined the Gobblins. My mistake and apologies. But saying 1:1.4 is nowhere near 1:1? Come now. I say if you were smart you WOULDN'T adopt an aggressive defense, for as you said, I should 'be thankful' you do. This is a ridiculous conversation. My armies went against an inactive fief to provide enjoyment to the community and to establish ourselves once more, and here you are, shit posting us for it. We haven't been so unsuccessful. That's all I was saying, and to think otherwise is silly. I offered no insult to anyone, but rather defended my clan's honor that that of my allies. I'll never understand where this hatred for HoC comes from, not will I attempt to convince a bunch of asshats to believe anything contrary to it if they won't, but I will not take it idly. As attackers against a particularly difficult castle to siege against opponents both far bigger and with vastly more resources we have done pretty damn well. I think your evidence, Phantasmal, proves that more than anything else. Considering our disadvantages an unbiased onlooker might actually praise what we have attempted to do and our performance. I see no reason for you all to be so condescending and hateful. What have I done to you to make you so damn hostile? Or are you that miserable and trollish that you must attack HoC and anyone else you can in any way possible at every possible opportunity? I do not accuse, but ask.

Is it good to go 1:1.4 as attackers? Yea it is okay. But it is off from 1:1 by about 4000 troops (roughly 3 armies) which is quite a difference. But don't worry, I am sure we will have field battles at some point to prove our true superiority (if our sallying from the castle is an accurate assumption of future battles).
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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #128 on: October 23, 2013, 01:20:48 am »
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Edit: Canary, I see you have responded before my post was done being written. I have read it and re-read your original and feel I should say a word or two to better address the things you pointed out. But I maintain what I said.  You say my post was hypocritical and ill-informed. I am not sure WHY you say this, because it was quite true.

I mentioned that one part of your post was hypocritical: the part where you accused the gobblins of not having earned Unuzdaq castle when your faction hadn't earned your only current castle, either, under your own criteria. Not as scathing as it sounds when I say the word "hypocritical" out of context, is it?

If I HAVE made a mistake on the exact K:D's, then my apologies, but I ask you look at the records before you contradict me on them. I am speaking form memory, but my memory is usually pretty good. I do know my numbers as far as what we sent against you and what you reinforced with are correct. Not all of your reinforcements fought, but most did, and most died.  It is only to be expected that many more attackers die at a castle, and I am very happy with the results so far all things considered.

I did look at the records, I even posted the links to the battle results. I found it a bit contradictory when in the same sentence as mentioning "showing figures in truth" you fudged the part about KDR, drumming it up to 1:1 when it was an entire half a point less. I'm not trying to be a showoff, just pointing out the contradiction and correcting the statistic. ALSO:

After that we nearly took the castle almost every single time, including Desire's attack, in which we not only made progress but very nearly DID go 1:1

I do not understand why you take credit for Desire's assault on the castle; you say "we" in reference to whom? Your faction, because you helped coordinate when the attack occurred? You didn't attack it, a Chaos member did. I seem to remember leading that battle myself...

Now Canary, you speak of the gear. I remember attacking Unuzdaq and seeing lots of shiny-ass gear. I never asked what it was or paid too much attention-I was too busy burying my axe in those wearing it. It may not have been plate exactly, but it certainly wasn't shit gear. If you found damaged transitional, that was probably ours. We had some on our armies, but certainly not enough for even the majority of the troops.

Quite. Not shit gear (Druzhina lamellar mostly), but not "endless plate", either. That came on when the gobblins took over. I was once again merely correcting the error in your memory of the events.

Lastly, you say Desire is acting more closely with Chaos than we think; why then did she siege Unuzdaq with us independently, promising to turn it over to HoC should she capture it, and asking nothing in return? It seems to me that through your contradicting and unclear statement you seem to say that you gave Unuzdaq over to the Gobblins because you could not hold it and they could; it seems to me then that you were trying to prevent HoC from taking it while being unable and/or unwilling to defend it yourself.

We were delaying the finality of a takeover and ensuring more battles went on (one more of which we were involved in, yay us!). It's that simple. More fights is more fun, and the best way to have kept fights happening there was to let them take charge. 

Would it make any sense, then, for Desire to help us if you indeed wanted to hold Unuzdaq against us? No, I think her actions are exactly as they appear. She honors her House, but lacks active leadership to direct her. Fortunately she can take care of herself, which seems to be more than can be said about some, but not all, of Chaos.  I did not attack you Canary, but you attacked me, even with your initially peaceful tone. It is not our fault that no man has had either the balls or the interest, depending on the man, to attack Almerra. We defend ourselves as we see fit, and the only time we did any camping is when we were disbanded due to inactivity. I said nothing of your inactivity until you tried to discredit my House. I do not judge, only fight back against those who judge me unreasonably. You have done so, and you are an asshat for it.

The goal wasn't to hold the castle against you, it was to keep the conflict from ending then and there.

It is to my discredit, perhaps, that now I take a severely aloof stance on what this faction does in a general sense. It might seem backwards, our actions themselves self-defeating (assuming we had a broader long-term goal). I allow a wide berth for decisions to be made by individual members of this clan, and I take pride that these people are willing to come to conclusions independently of hand-holding and faction-based diplomatic limitations (I believe someone used the word "balls" in this regard). We're operating almost like a consortium of bandits, but with the goal not being loot. I speak and consult frequently with Desire, Shik and others, and it's not like I'm not here on the game and leading the faction in some regard.

As for being judged unreasonably, maybe any ribbing I gave you was out of place, but some of your statements were contradictory or plain wrong. Since these things were being said about Chaos, I felt inclined to speak up.

And Canary...just do everyone a favor and shut your whore mouth. You contribute nothing to this entire discussion but to bash ME and my House?  What has Chaos done of late? I can tell you. Desire, who I don't even consider a true Chaos member because she has too much sense about her, has brought any and all honor to your shit faction. She is the only one who has done anything of worth for as long as I can remember. I wouldn't feel so badly towards Chaos if you had some control over your members, Canary, and there weren't rouges like Shik to go around backstabbing people and lying through their teeth; he shames himself and the name of your House, and then himself some more by losing to my men, though he had the advantage of surprise, superior gear, and a superior roster.  Indeed, I watched him turn tail and run after his shameful defeat at New Amashke and swore an oath to destroy his fucking face at every possible opportunity. I have never hated Chaos, and I do not now, nor is HoC hostile towards you, but when the Gobblins came you bent over and took it up the ass as gladly as a fat kid eats cake.  Yet you remain independent, and you sit in your city and do...absolutely nothing. You DARE insult my House while you sit around jerking Daruvian off? You dare insult ME for bringing the only activity in the whole of the Realm to the people? Get a fucking grip on reality bro. Go back to sitting quietly behind your high walls while Desire earns respect for herself. When you've done a single thing of worth that isn't total bullshit, then I won't fight back to your opinion. But as of now, keep your damn mouth shut about my clan's affairs unless you have something to say that involved using half of your  ape-shit brain.

Looks like I touched on a nerve.

1) Where do you think Desire received that number of troops and all of that gear?

2) Where do you think Shik received that number of troops and all of that gear?

3) Do you think I am never aware of what either of them are doing? Do you assume that I have no control over this faction's members, or that I do not condone their actions?
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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #129 on: October 23, 2013, 01:21:48 am »
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I mentioned that one part of your post was hypocritical: the part where you accused the gobblins of not having earned Unuzdaq castle when your faction hadn't earned your only current castle, either, under your own criteria. Not as scathing as it sounds when I say the word "hypocritical" out of context, is it?

I did look at the records, I even posted the links to the battle results. I found it a bit contradictory when in the same sentence as mentioning "showing figures in truth" you fudged the part about KDR, drumming it up to 1:1 when it was an entire half a point less. I'm not trying to be a showoff, just pointing out the contradiction and correcting the statistic. ALSO:

I do not understand why you take credit for Desire's assault on the castle; you say "we" in reference to whom? Your faction, because you helped coordinate when the attack occurred? You didn't attack it, a Chaos member did. I seem to remember leading that battle myself...

Quite. Not shit gear (Druzhina lamellar mostly), but not "endless plate", either. That came on when the gobblins took over. I was once again merely correcting the error in your memory of the events.

We were delaying the finality of a takeover and ensuring more battles went on (one more of which we were involved in, yay us!). It's that simple. More fights is more fun, and the best way to have kept fights happening there was to let them take charge. 

The goal wasn't to hold the castle against you, it was to keep the conflict from ending then and there.

It is to my discredit, perhaps, that now I take a severely aloof stance on what this faction does in a general sense. It might seem backwards, our actions themselves self-defeating (assuming we had a broader long-term goal). I allow a wide berth for decisions to be made by individual members of this clan, and I take pride that these people are willing to come to conclusions independently of hand-holding and faction-based diplomatic limitations (I believe someone used the word "balls" in this regard). We're operating almost like a consortium of bandits, but with the goal not being loot. I speak and consult frequently with Desire, Shik and others, and it's not like I'm not here on the game and leading the faction in some regard.

As for being judged unreasonably, maybe any riffing I gave you was out of place, but some of your statements were contradictory or plain wrong. Since these things were being said about Chaos, I felt inclined to speak up.

Looks like I touched on a nerve.

1) Where do you think Desire received that number of troops and all of that gear?

2) Where do you think Shik received that number of troops and all of that gear?

3) Do you think I am never aware of what either of them are doing? Do you assume that I have no control over this faction's members, or that I do not condone their actions?

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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #130 on: October 23, 2013, 01:22:28 am »
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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #131 on: October 23, 2013, 01:27:30 am »
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holy shit canary, that is your biggest wall in months.

This one's for you, Morph Havelle.


But basically, my clan hasn't been mentioned on the forums in a while. If we're not relevant to the conversation, I don't stick my nose in. Something some other faction heads and peanut gallery regulars could learn a thing'r two from.

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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #132 on: October 23, 2013, 01:29:33 am »
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Nerd.

HEY, 1 word responses are against diplomacy rules! WARN HIM WARN HIM! :mrgreen:

Anyways: 1:1.5 is Horrible as a "Plate" defender, especially against a rather upper medium armor. But, either way, overall, HoC has actually IMPROVED their clans KDR during these battles, so, I'll leave that up to you guys to decide.

Also, how have we derailed this thread...that bad :shock:

But basically, my clan hasn't been mentioned on the forums in a while. If we're not relevant to the conversation, I don't stick my nose in. Something some other faction heads and peanut gallery regulars could learn a thing'r two from.

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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #133 on: October 23, 2013, 01:37:32 am »
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you all need to stop ruining the FCC/CC drama thread with your other shit. get your own drama thread!

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Re: War of Northern Aggression
« Reply #134 on: October 23, 2013, 01:39:45 am »
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HEY, 1 word responses are against diplomacy rules! WARN HIM WARN HIM! :mrgreen:

Anyways: 1:1.5 is Horrible as a "Plate" defender, especially against a rather upper medium armor. But, either way, overall, HoC has actually IMPROVED their clans KDR during these battles, so, I'll leave that up to you guys to decide.

Also, how have we derailed this thread...that bad :shock:

Then surrender on strat if you aren't DOING anything...
1.14 is horrible?! Thats really very funny coming from someone who lost their castle in one attempt with plate and a .5 defending KDR.