War on Apostates

[Haboe]

Wipe? So you mean you killed all the Wolves? :O

Wow, that's really impressive... over 1000 Wolves in shiny armour all dead? :O

The village is still yours? :O

...I see Wolves aren't the only ones exaggerating here lol.
 
They took a city in 3 assaults. They actually nearly achieved a 1 for 1 kill/death assaulting a CITY! Lol, i mean.... that's a loss in your reckoning? I don't remember Uxkhaul being taken in.... well... any of the assaults. Yalen took how many waves of Greys before Templar lost it after a heroic defense? Cities in this game guzzle up armies like nothing else. And Wolves took it by assaulting three times, of which they only lost 1 assault? Once to kill over 1000 defenders, then winning the 2nd raid, then killing the 2000 pop with 1000 men. They only lost 1/3 of their attacks on Rivacheg, i'm sorry but claiming that Wolves sacrificed too much to take that city is hilarious, i don't think arrogance and smack talk even covers that kinda denial. But hell, i'm sure that's just propaganda spread by Wolves, not like we all saw it happen.

Say what you will, but at the end of the day- prove me wrong, take Rivacheg back with fewer men. I double Heskey dare you.

Thats how you look at it. I look at it slightly different, it took them 3 army's to take down a 1500 men garrison. On top of that they gained 0 population.
All about perspective

And thats why i dislike about granny, he open a topic for each victory he makes, but the cotgs assaults where it takes them 1800 men to kill 600 are ignored completely ;)
I saw a cotgs cheer today, that they managed to kill 800 in a siege (using 1800)

So yea, the losses from the cfa side (or whatever they call themselves now, not even sure it still exists) are rather significant.

It's hard to controle a load of fiefs like the apostates have, considering the backstab, and the gank by 8+ factions, i'm still pleased with the current state.

[GRANDMOM]

How many men did you lose compared with what you gained?

It seems to me that you believe that 'history is written by the victors' however at what cost? How many men died storming those walls, how many attacks did it take until you finally slaughtered your way in?

Once you look at the figures for both sides then we will continue to talk over whom are the real winners and losers.

The fact remains that a group of 'peasant's managed to wipe a shiny man army, you can hide this however you want but the embarrassment will always be on record, it shall be known as the new Thermopylae (however this time we won)

Rivacheg:
We lost exactly 3758 men while the defenders lost 4710 men
It took 3 attacks
We won 2 of those

Bulugha:
We lost exactly 2336 men and killed 2063
it took 2 attacks

Since we started to attack one week ago:
we lost exactly 9019 troops and killed 10124 men
Gained one castle and one city and two villages

Your point?

[GRANDMOM]

Thats how you look at it. I look at it slightly different, it took them 3 army's to take down a 1500 men garrison. On top of that they gained 0 population.
All about perspective

And thats why i dislike about granny, he open a topic for each victory he makes, but the cotgs assaults where it takes them 1800 men to kill 600 are ignored completely ;)
I saw a cotgs cheer today, that they managed to kill 800 in a siege (using 1800)

So yea, the losses from the cfa side (or whatever they call themselves now, not even sure it still exists) are rather significant.

It's hard to controle a load of fiefs like the apostates have, considering the backstab, and the gank by 8+ factions, i'm still pleased with the current state.

Remember u being very keen on updating Basnaks thread on K/D of the battles in the last war Haboe.......untill u started loosing.....for some reason

[Haboe]

Yea, we didn't have our brilliant chart system back then, so was interesting.

After a while we had to negotiate peace, so i spared you the humiliation of displaying further stats (you know, for the peace you decided to break ;))

You can check the slezkh castle if you like, a castle that was fully prepared and geared all the time, 7700 losses our side, 6700 losses your side 



Edit
I love the new chart thing btw, haralds work no?

[GRANDMOM]

Yea, we didn't have our brilliant chart system back then, so was interesting.

After a while we had to negotiate peace, so i spared you the humiliation of displaying further stats (you know, for the peace you decided to break ;))

You can check the slezkh castle if you like, a castle that was fully prepared and geared all the time, 7700 losses our side, 6700 losses your side 



Edit
I love the new chart thing btw, haralds work no?

We could do this all night Hobbit, if u like but for starters lets correct you:

We lost 7908 and u lost 9219 in the slezkh castle sieges, and we werent prepared and  we had one marketplace and u had the element of surprise (much like we did now only we actually took something)

During the whole duration of that war we lost 14731 soldiers, we at the same time killed 16808

In this, is included the first surprise attack on the 3000 tic wolves army that the steel axis anihilated while they were moving hardly armed to curaw.

Your point?

btw thanks for sparing me 

I could add that in overland battles we count we need 3 armies to take down 2 of yours - u are doing those well I can give u that - but otherwise u seem quite killable wouldnt u say Hobbit?

[BASNAK]

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[Bittersteel]

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No renown whoring in my thread mister.

[bavvoz]

Rivacheg wasnt lost so easy coz of the surprise, it was lost so easy because i havnt been able to take care of her for a few weeks due to some very bad happenings irl lately. If any1 is boasting over that victory i really think u take this way to serious.

[Tactical_One]

Well as i see it now clans have plenty active players so they will be huge troops increase (like 1k /day), troops are significant factor when clans are rich enough to equip them.

But castles and towns are important since you need a lot of logistic effort to capture them.

So as far i see Wolfes are winning the war, although i doubt they could make more progress than they already did.
Yet they propably wont lose castle and city they already taken. Mercs would need like 30 k troops to spare on north. And it still could be not enought.

Sargoth altrought seems to be big failure for attackers. City will take thousands of attackers before fall , perfect place to defend. I dont think that Coalition will manage to make diffrence here it seems they had been stopped by kapikulu. Crusaders have deserts war with Druzina. Donno what axis will do.

Im waiting for moment when clans will have problem with money to equip troops :)And when war continues silver may become factor again. Some clans involved have some great equipment issues. One really shiny army it's like 2 mln silver.

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[Tyr_]

One really shiny army it's like 2 mln silver.

300k gold per 1000 man, including siege gear and heavy cav^^.

[Tactical_One]

300k gold per 1000 man, including siege gear and heavy cav^^.

Donno if princes risen or something but 300 k silver would give very poor equiped army

1 man:
300 s- (like Milanesse plate with huge discount)
100 s- gloves
100 s- helm
50 - boots
200 s - weapon (1h + shield, or 2 h , bow or x-bow)
750 gp for one troop. so when you eq 2000 troops you have 1,5 mln.

And you need to add aditional eq like polearms, horses etc and it will be more less 2 mln.

I would like to see armies for 300 gp per troop :)then i will know that factions are short on silver.
War would become even more intresting

[Haboe]

300 k gives full shiny 1000.

Grey corrazina, expensive weapons, warhorses (or siege equip).

[Haboe]

Bonus when defending is that you need about 2 sets of good equipment, and it can last 5 waves if you just have tickets in there...

Looking at sargoth for example, cotgs did a load of assaults, not being able to spend all gear. Making us loot a lot.
On top of that you lose less as defender, so you don't need much gear to begin with, and even the gear you do use you get back for 50% -2 loomlevels.

[Lennu]

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Shut up! This is a drama thread, and you're supposed to be throwing more gas into the flames! Not trolling!



And Grandmom, think what would have happened if there had been decent gear in that village? It would have been a prison rape 
Still, Apostates did give away a village far too easily. But at least it gave us the best strat battle I've even been so far.