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[Oberyn]

It's as if a pure archer was complainging about meele classes being too strong.

Isn't that exactly what Miwiw was doing?

[Tibe]

What's killing the mod are people who refuse to use any countermeasures against ranged and then compain about them being too powerful.
It's as if a pure archer was complainging about meele classes being too strong.
This stupid hypocrisy is really annoying.

Its due to the fact that this game mainly boasts with superb meleemechanics. In which the dedicated meleeplayers feel like its their birthright to be the ultimate masters of this game in general. That they have the right to call everything non-melee the plague of Warband and that ranged is a last minute broken mechanic that is destroying their paradise.

Alot of people bitch about ranged, but I dont think they really mean what the say or claim cause the meleeonly servers are completely empty compared to the regular ones. Personally I feel like only having melee is just boring.

[Osiris]

People don't like teamwork. They want to be heroes who cut bloody swathes through the enemy

Often you see people in light armour with 2h the perfect dueling set up who go charging into the middle of a gank and then qq about being shot or Team hit same with archers who stand in the middle of nowhere then qq about cav. People want the best of their favoured class but none of the drawbacks which is why we get lots of silly QQ threads (not saying this is one i think the number of archers is crazy atm)

Its why we get people moaning about  archery buff and nerf at the same time <3


probably also why the devs don't pay attention to threads like this.

[Miwiw]

Isn't that exactly what Miwiw was doing?

No. I often respecced from pure archer to hybrid (or directly melee) cause it is just awful not being able to do anything. If I get a build without melee skills, its my own fault in the end. At the same time it's the inf's own fault not to get 3-5 shield skill or a throwing weapon to have some tool to counter archers.

I am fine with archers. I would also be fine if they were a bit weaker. I do not mind. It's usually more about personal skill anyway. I'm not going through forums and crying about a class (except for HX! it has been quite difficult to counter HX with any class, now the patch weakened them a bit, that's fine). ;)

[Torben]

this is just like the great cav spam in 0`12,  it will go away.

[Oberyn]

Alot of people bitch about ranged, but I dont think they really mean what the say or claim cause the meleeonly servers are completely empty compared to the regular ones. Personally I feel like only having melee is just boring.

Agreed. And it makes cav completely OP. Archers and xbows are, sadly, a necessary evil.

[XyNox]

To be honest I dont see how all your melee lives are destroyed due to this patch. Although dodging arrows is a little harder now and requires more awareness, its still possible.

Its not like I want to rub it all over your melee faces ( although I think many would deserve it ) but just deal with it. If you really feel that archers now have gotten an undeserved buff, congratulations. Now you know how archers felt every single day for months/years. Getting killed because of unfair bullshit that you cant do anything about is pretty much the definition of archer-gameplay. Now dont whine that you cant ez mode 1-hit cleave any archer to peaces anymore by just wiggling your mouse around a little for "dodging".

The only thing to blame devs for is probably the fact that they made melee gameplay more and more casual by nerfing ranged, so that some people just got used to it too much. Of course people will now have to understand that grabbing a longsword/greatsword and running through the map like a headless chicken isnt the jack of all trades anymore since the lack of a shield of 2h/pole now means an actual WEAKNESS due to the buff of ranged, which was badly in need anyway. As I said, yes arrows are faster now but its not too late to learn how to use cover or how to use maplayout or even teammates to your advantage, as archers have to do it everyday in order to survive too.

Just be cool, archers managed to handle a lot more in the past than you have to handle with this little patch. Just adapt HUE HUE HUE HUE. ( Get it ? Lobbymaster Tzar reference here )

Now bring on the butthurt elitist QQ minus shitstorm. Every single one of those I will embrace with great satisfaction.

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Hmm, I got carried away there a little. I guess I DID rub it all over your melee faces  Just to be clear though: If you do not think you fit this stereotype of a dumb melee player I presented above, feel free not to consider yourself to be adressed by any of this of course. All this whine is simply too gorgeous for me to restrain myself 

Edit:

Due to this patch I even decided to go archer hybrid this time. Since low tier bows are more than utter nonsense now and I do not necessarily need to run around with a longbow/rusbow to be of any use to the team, I bought a MW heavy bastard and can now enjoy the sweet ez modery of 2h hiltslashing WHILE being an archer with a 15/24 build ... it is just so beautiful to spam some plated scrub to death since I can affort enough wpf and ps now to not get outspammed while glancing on 9 out of 10 strikes. Isnt this what everyone wanted ? An archer who can actually defend himself instead of running away ?

[darmaster]

Such stupid threads, seriously. You're either totally dumb or seriously lost in hatred (cause you died once without being able of hitting back). Infantry and cavalry decides 98% of all rounds. It has always been like this. Be aware that crossbows usually count as infantry too as 90% of those got average melee skills as well (such as 100 wpf and 5-6 PS + IF sometimes and decent armor despite the use of their crossbows).
Archers have rarely ever decided a round. There are sometimes maps that are better for Archers during early and mid round when for example camping a certain high ground. If Archers are nicely split up they do easily shoot enemy inf to pieces. However it usually ends with infantry and cav getting close to the enemy and slaying them without any real effort.

Just compare it, an Archer can take down an infantry/cav player with a lucky shot to the head (not all of those 1hit). At lvl 28+ an Archer becomes as strong as an infantry if you compare the damage. However infantry really takes more hits. They got more armor, an Archer who's medium armored lacks movement speed and a little drawing speed + aim but only has around 35-40 body armor (and maybe some more due to gauntlets).
40 body armor is light for infantry. 80% of the infantry players wear heavier armor than Heraldic Mail.
Even with my last gear set up which gave me 55 body armor I had been a 1hit by a simple pole thrust (0 IF, infantry maybe had 5-8 PS). Usually you can be lucky to survive more than 1 hit.
Melee ability for archers are too costy if you compare it to additonal points in AGI/WM or PD. An Archer hybrid is only a bit better than an Archer in melee without any PS/wpf. You notice a difference tho but it's usually not enough when facing a dedicated 2h player who got at least 7 PS or 7 WM or maybe both (if skill level of both is the same).

For an Archer.... meh I just notice I cba to finish this post as most of the infantry players who are infested with hate vs ranged, will ignore anything but their own opinion and keep on claiming that a "certain" class was destroying the game.
That's the sad part about people.

In the end I had it far easier when playing 2h, I won far more rounds, got valour in 2/3 of my rounds and finished generations much faster than playing as archer.
Keep on hating.

Those words in bald are probably the most idiotic words I've ever read; anyway, even if I know i should have stopped at the first line (i love that 98% because it means you're accurate in your bullshits), xbowmen count as fucking ranged; the fact they can handle their selves in melee just gives points to me, not to your argument. Archers have rarely ever decided a round? are you sure you're playing crpg? i dunno maybe you're used to eu 2, i really hope so? I don't know if you noticed that after this patch, at the end of every round there are at least 60-70% of ranged. i'm not really going to comment the rest, since a sentence like "an Archer can take down an infantry/cav player with a lucky shot to the head" doesn't make any sense, and others like "I had been a 1hit by a simple pole thrust" are simply bullshit; I, with 7 ps, hardly ever take down an archer with a single hit, unless I hit him in the head (i don't see any problem in this case).

Alot of people bitch about ranged, but I dont think they really mean what the say or claim cause the meleeonly servers are completely empty compared to the regular ones. Personally I feel like only having melee is just boring.

Agreed. And it makes cav completely OP. Archers and xbows are, sadly, a necessary evil.

i agree they have to be inside the game, for sure, but not as they are now; nerf them, put a number limit to ranged, do whatever you want but do something, and do it asap please; eu 1 is already empty.

I too don't like only melee servers, ranged has to exist, but as I already said not as it is now. If you don't want to nerf them it's ok for me, but at least put a balance and/or limit the amount of ranged in a single team. There's a reason why in tournaments we don't have 70% of archers in a single team.

[Miwiw]

Those words in bald are probably the most idiotic words I've ever read; anyway, even if I know i should have stopped at the first line (i love that 98% because it means you're accurate in your bullshits), xbowmen count as fucking ranged; the fact they can handle their selves in melee just gives points to me, not to your argument. Archers have rarely ever decided a round? are you sure you're playing crpg? i dunno maybe you're used to eu 2, i really hope so? I don't know if you noticed that after this patch, at the end of every round there are at least 60-70% of ranged. i'm not really going to comment the rest, since a sentence like "an Archer can take down an infantry/cav player with a lucky shot to the head" doesn't make any sense, and others like "I had been a 1hit by a simple pole thrust" are simply bullshit; I, with 7 ps, hardly ever take down an archer with a single hit, unless I hit him in the head (i don't see any problem in this case).

Those words in bald are (probably) the most idiotic words I've ever read; (...) I'm not really going to comment the rest (...)
Ye, you're good at arguing proving points.

[obitus]

One of the biggest problems came when everyone's aim mysteriously got fucking fantastic.  A year and a half ago I never got shot at 100+ meters and now it happens damn near every round.

[obitus]

this is just like the great cav spam in 0`12,  it will go away.

Cav got nerfed to shit.  That probably had something to do with it.

[darmaster]

Those words in bald are (probably) the most idiotic words I've ever read; (...) I'm not really going to comment the rest (...)
Ye, you're good at arguing proving points.

 i should have probably argued in your way; maybe typing lies to support my point would have helped more

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[Kalam]

Here's where the basic anger against ranged comes from.

You can hit your enemy without fear of immediate retaliation. There's nothing a melee guy can do until he reaches you. Shielders (in NA at least- we only have one or two high agi shielders that aren't gimmicks) are about as slow as archers and crossbowman- and the new spate of lance throwers have made this worst.

Control the battlefield, you win the round. If your team has more ranged, you control the battlefield because you're drawing the enemy to you. That's the advantage everyone instinctively dislikes, I believe. Not the damage they do or anything like that (though it does suck being one-shot by them) but the fact that they control the battle.

The other part of the frustration is that ranged these days don't get one hit or even two hit, contrary to XyNox' post. Spend the entire round sneaking up on ranged. Get there. Hit the ranged guy twice, hit his other friend thrice, they're both still alive, they shoot you in the face, you die. You know who one hits me? Not melee, usually. Ranged. Ranged one hits me.

You see, the team that s-keys wins, and if you have all the ranged, then you're forcing people to W-key.

[betard_lulz]

all im hearing from the anti ranged my old friends is wahhhhh i cant move left to right and wah i refuse to use cover and wah i want to be able to charge in a straight line to an archer.

[BlueKnight]

this is just like the great cav spam in 0`12,  it will go away.

It went away cuz heavy lance transformed into heavy glance and cav that didn't quit, it became 1h cav. You don't have many EU lancecavs except you Torby, Musashi, Oliviero and Grellenort (sorry to all lancers that I didn't mention). Also Ujin plays lancer from time to time but I don't see him very often on EU_1.