New PC.

[Tigero]

What, gaming with the on-board graphics card?

That's cute.

Runs M&B with full graphics, no AA (the GPU sucks with AA) @200fps. That's all it needs to do...

[Senni__Ti]

http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00ARUBEHG/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&psc=1&s=computers

Nice find, expect it to get very hot though ;). (Get a laptop cooling stand)
And the Battery life will suck, you will have to have it plugged in to use it properly.

It's not a bad price though ;).

MSI 660m (GPU) EUR 729,00 from second website
http://www.amazon.de/MSI-GE60-I760M245FD-Notebook/dp/B00BFX6R94/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1372501116&sr=1-1&keywords=msi
http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/msi+ge60+i760m245fd+gaming+notebook

Won't be as powerful, but it'll still run most things very well. (I have a very similar laptop with the previous generation of CPU and graphics card, it won't run things on max, but 720p medium -> high detail).

It should have a slightly longer battery life (as 1 more powerful GPU, instead of 2 less powerful.)

For reference:

660m Lenovo EUR 928,15
http://www.amazon.de/Lenovo-Ideapad-Notebook-3630QM-NVIDIA/dp/B009M5E17M/ref=sr_1_13?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1372501545&sr=1-13&keywords=lenovo

Probably a better build quality, but not worth the extra EUR 200 ;). And it's more expensive and slower than Leshma's .

Also to keep in mind, dual GPUs tend to be not as smooth as single, and will make the whole system run hotter.
Though the smoothness thing shouldn't be overly noticeable, as Nvidia tend to be pretty good.

A desktop would be faster still. *Hint Hint* ;P

[Zaalback]

http://www.topachat.com/pages/detail2_cat_est_ordinateurs_puis_rubrique_est_w_porgam_puis_ref_est_in10068269.html

[Leshma]

Nice find, expect it to get very hot though ;). (Get a laptop cooling stand)
And the Battery life will suck, you will have to have it plugged in to use it properly.

It has nice cooling system but laptop cooling stand is a must, especially if you plan to play games for longer than half an hour. Battery is pretty much the same for every gaming laptop. There isn't a gaming laptop that will last more than 90 minutes under full load. Both are valid remarks, but both can be said for every other gaming laptop on the market. If you want to game on laptop, it has to be plugged in.

Y500 is last year model, that's the reason for good price. New model is Y510p and it has Haswell CPU, more RAM and most importantly, it has matte screen. Thanks to Haswell CPU, battery lasts 5 hours instead of 3 hours when you're surfing (under full load is the same). But it cost 200 euro more, which makes no sense (Haswell and matte screen aren't worth 200 euro difference).

There's also MSI GE60 for similar price, but it has single GPU (GT660M) and looks fugly imho (I like MacBook elegant design, other gaming laptops look like child toys). It's also MSI which means that model you buy can end up being awesome or utter garbage. Lenovo laptops were IBM in the past, I trust them more than other brands.

[Senni__Ti]

Yeah I should have clarified: All gaming laptops need a cooling stand + plugged in for full performance.

The battery comment was more for non-gaming / lite-gaming -> battery life wouldn't be as great there as a single GPU.
(I'm not sure how good the powersaving options are, whether you can 'turn off' the physical GPUs. And many applications use GPU acceleration)

Tbh I'd only really go haswell if you plan on using the IGP (integrated graphics), not enough of an improvement to justify the hefty increase in price. (Slightly cheaper desktop wise, but still a mark up e.g. Motherboard + CPU)

Agree on the last part, MSI laptops tend to be very hard on the eyes + pretty cheaply built.
It would be worth looking up reviews.
But you do get decent hardware at a lower price and MSI has a pretty good warranty + RMA service.
(I would check out the warranties on all the laptops, don't want to get shafted with some minimal excuse for warranty).

Lenovo is a higher tier brand, you pay the extra for the guaranteed quality build + looks.

[Lannistark]

Laptops are normally bad for gaming. If it has to be a laptop, try to get one with at least a GT 540M or something like that.

Intel Graphics are a solution for desktop handling and some minor video encoding. Don't even try to run a game on that, you'll fry the PC while watching an uncompelling slideshow.

Regardless, I suggest you take a look at notebookcheck.net. They have plenty of useful reviews on mobile graphic cards.

[Bittersteel]

Guys, thanks for your help, very appreciate but after reconsideration i'm going for a desktop.


Processor; AMD A-serien A8-5500 / 3.2 GHz
RAM; 8
Card; Radeon HD7560D

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http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=772558#extra

It seems like it got the same specs like this one and it's VERY cheap.

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He might have done some changes tough, will i be able to run these kind of games smoothly?

[Tore]

Build your own pc, or atleast choose your own parts and get it built.

[Zaalback]

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http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=772558#extra

Well ... wait, if your budget is 8000 kr. Why are you looking for a 3900 kr computer ? 

[Senni__Ti]

HP isn't a good brand.

Generally they don't have enough ventilation on the cases (both holes and fans).
And usually overpriced and mass produced.

Build your own pc, or atleast choose your own parts and get it built.

^
It will be cheaper than buying a pre-built and you know what you can add later ;). (Some pre-builts make it very difficult to add anything later on)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roFb3TNePIg
This is reasonable guide for the general gist.

There are more indepth guides for building, just a nice intro.

I recently built my first ever desktop (~3 weeks ago). Instructions were clear, video guides helped; it went without a hitch ;)!

[Bittersteel]

ATI Radeon HD 5850 any good? Can it handle AC3 on medium settings?


EDIT: ATI Radeon HD 5850 vs GeForce GTX 650ti? Got a really cheap offer

[Taser]

Not sure if its been posted but..

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

Decent place to check out a guideline for making a desktop.

[Senni__Ti]

I'd go 650ti out of the two.

5850 is a bit old, they are roughly equal in performance.

But your budget easily allows for something better :O.

EDIT: AC3 performance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOSJl860hXA

Over 100 on medium 1080p.

Though if your doing 1080p, you should be doing more than medium

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4147/8/nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti-boost-review-incl-frametimes-hq-full-hd-for-less-than-e200-assassins-creed-iii---1920x1080-+-frametimes

38.2 fps on very high.

[ForGO_of_Acre]

dnt know what your budget is but I got a alienware m14x r2 for 900 usd. has i5 3230 8gb ddr3 and dedicated gt650m gfx chip as laptops are to small for a "card" per say. what im saying is look around. also for around 500-600 usd you can build decent gaming pc.

[Bittersteel]

Well ... wait, if your budget is 8000 kr. Why are you looking for a 3900 kr computer ? 

Call me a gamer or not but i'm trying to save as much money as possible 


Found these 2 great computers both for 3000kr,

Computer 1
http://www.blocket.se/stockholm/Speldator__I7_3_74GHz__GTX_470__8GB_Ram_47965569.htm?ca=13&w=3

Computer 2
http://www.blocket.se/orebro/Kraftfull___snabb_begagnad_speldator_47965966.htm?ca=13&w=3


Which of 'em should i buy? Sorry for the swedish shit but the setup is in there