AMD is not amused

[Molly]

Software that matters to me and doesn't work well on AMD: Limit Theory, Outtera, SpaceEngine, Planet Explorers, Linux games, ... pretty much anything that either runs on a GPU or uses OpenGL as API.

Software that matters to me and will work better on nVidia: Star Citizen, Witcher 3, possibly M:BG.

Sofware that doesn't mean anything to me and will probably work better on AMD: most console ports (including most AAA games from big studios).

I was interested in new game from Avalanche Studios, expecting something truly epic sandbox like Just Cause 2 but it seems they are making Mad Max game. I hope it will be sandbox but you never know with games based on movies.

AMD can satify the need of an average gamer very well, but same goes for next gen consoles (many games will run in 1080p with 60 fps which is enough for almost everyone). But if you want to play something really innovative, something that will become mainstream in years from now you have to stick with nVidia.

Except for the "Software I need"... I'd call utter bullshit on this one Leshma but then again, I don't really care enough to elaborate

[Leshma]

Yes, software I need. Should I care about sofware you need and use daily?

And no, I'm not alone in this world. Just because there aren't many people who have certain needs, doesn't make their choice wrong. Or choice of the majority, right.

[Turboflex]

After all the driver problems I've had with AMD in the past I'll always be buying nVidia cards.

Same for years I had ATI/AMD and constant driver problems always wrestling with them and having to try amateur 3rd party drivers. In my last computer I went with Nvidia and never had a problem, even though I barely update my drivers.

[CrazyCracka420]

this is why I´m an AMD fanboy.

Sure if you don't want to be able to use that new graphics card in 3 or 4 years.  Got a new graphics card on my last generation PC (back around 2007), and built my bro a gaming PC at the same time.  Our PCs were basically identical except he was running an Nvidia card, and I had an ATI (AMD) Radeon.   My card was actually a little better performance-wise the whole time we had our PCs.  Then in about 2010 they stopped supporting my graphics card with drivers, and all the older cards were put on a legacy driver.  At that point I was unable to play any games that were coming out (most of the games would have massive black lines all over the screen), but my bro on his Nvidia could keep playing games (even though his card wasn't as good as mine) because Nvidia kept supporting it with drivers.

Vowed never to buy an AMD graphics card again (will still buy AMD processors).  I'm not going to buy a product that physically works great, but is not supported after a few years, basically turning it into a paperweight.  No thanks, I value my money a lot more than that.

What's the point of having great hardware if the drivers/software to support it aren't there?  Why would I buy a product I know will still physically work in a few years, but will no longer be able to be useful because they stop supporting the drivers for it?

[B3RS3RK]

Sure if you don't want to be able to use that new graphics card in 3 or 4 years. [...]

After 3 or 4 years, I will most definately buy a new graphics card or even a whole new system because the technology will have advanced by a lot.

My 5770 is currently somewhere between 2 and 3 years old(Cant remember the exact date), and atm it´s still fine for playing most games on medium or high settings - my guess is I´ll buy or have to buy a new card once the new consoles come out, which take some more time.

You know, I´m a huge fan of buying middle class-graphics cards, because it enables me to only skip one or two generations before I buy a new one.I´ve bought the 5770, skipped the 6770 and will probably skip the 7770, too.if I bought a high-end card, which costs about double or triple the amount of a middle-class one, I´d need to skip more generations of cards missing out on possible new features.Also new=better because things run better when they are new.

[CrazyCracka420]

You're missing the point.  New games were coming out, and my hardware was physically powerful enough to play the games, but since the drivers weren't kept up to date, I couldn't play them.  I didn't need to update my graphics card, it was still physically just fine and dandy for the games coming out (although I upgraded my whole computer not long after due to this issue).

Money's not really a huge issue for me at this point my my life and career.  I can afford to upgrade my graphics card every few years, but I'm not going to upgrade the damn thing, until I actually need to.  If I can still run the games I play, and still play new games I want to play, then why upgrade?  Oh right, because AMD wants more money from me...good point.  I'll take my money to a company who values their products and shows it by supporting graphic card drivers on cards that are still perfectly fine for running games.

How old are you?

[Overdriven]

Same for years I had ATI/AMD and constant driver problems always wrestling with them and having to try amateur 3rd party drivers. In my last computer I went with Nvidia and never had a problem, even though I barely update my drivers.

Odd how people have completely opposite problems 

Sure if you don't want to be able to use that new graphics card in 3 or 4 years.  Got a new graphics card on my last generation PC (back around 2007), and built my bro a gaming PC at the same time.  Our PCs were basically identical except he was running an Nvidia card, and I had an ATI (AMD) Radeon.   My card was actually a little better performance-wise the whole time we had our PCs.  Then in about 2010 they stopped supporting my graphics card with drivers, and all the older cards were put on a legacy driver.  At that point I was unable to play any games that were coming out (most of the games would have massive black lines all over the screen), but my bro on his Nvidia could keep playing games (even though his card wasn't as good as mine) because Nvidia kept supporting it with drivers.

What's the point of having great hardware if the drivers/software to support it aren't there?  Why would I buy a product I know will still physically work in a few years, but will no longer be able to be useful because they stop supporting the drivers for it?

I've had my Radeon HD 5750 for almost 4 years now and still going strong and can run all games still on highest graphics near enough and they still support the drivers. Maybe in a year or so that'll change I'll have to see. I had far to many issues with nvidia to want to use them again. I think I had 3 cards in a row from them and always experienced issues.

It does depend a great deal from card to card between the two as well. Some cards are fantastic, some are average at best and that works both ways. So of course every one is going to have different experiences unless we've all bought the same series of cards from each manufacturer.

Next year I'll be restarting the computer upgrade cycle again though I think. This year I want to finish off the current build with an HD screen and surround sound speakers as both my screen and speakers are getting on a bit. Then the year after it'll be gpu, followed by cpu, then any random crap that needs upgrading around it (mobo, RAM, PSU, upgrade to blu-ray drive maybe).

[B3RS3RK]

You're missing the point.  New games were coming out, and my hardware was physically powerful enough to play the games, but since the drivers weren't kept up to date, I couldn't play them.  I didn't need to update my graphics card, it was still physically just fine and dandy for the games coming out (although I upgraded my whole computer not long after due to this issue).

That´s another issue entirely, one you can avoid by not buying high-end cards in the first place like I mentioned.

I have also used ATI cards for 3+ years in the past and never encountered the problems you mentioned.

How old are you?

20

[Tibe]

Does it really matter if high-end AMD or Nvidia card? They both basically go for the same thing anyway. And it doesnt really matter if one is 1% better than the other.

[Leshma]

Of course it doesn't matter. But what matters is when you're able to do something with one card while you can't do the same with the other. AMD/ATI makes great hardware but software support for their products is poor. I'm using their GPUs for 10 years.

[B3RS3RK]

Matter of preference, really.I´ve never needed or wanted to use a software that wouldn´t run on my amd card, which is why I´ll continue to buy amd.If you had other experiences, fine, then buy nvidia.

This thread has already derailed too much

[Leshma]

When I was your age, AMD GPU was more than enough. But with age preferences change

[B3RS3RK]

Ya, I dont think I´ll ever want to use

Limit Theory, Outtera, SpaceEngine, Planet Explorers, Linux games

Im only 20 and have plenty of time, but still not enough to play that much that I would care about those games - it´s not like my free time will increase over the next years, so yeah...also I hate linux.

[Kafein]

also I hate linux.

You could have said that earlier, that would have spared us this boring argument.


Now explain me why.

[B3RS3RK]

Now explain me why.

I like casual stuff like windows that I have used since I started using PC´s

Everything I have seen from Linux makes me believe it´s a cool OS for people that like to occupy themselves with something, but Iam not willing to do that plus windows is simply better in the main area I use my pc for: gaming.I dont want to install 3rd party programs to play games and the like.

Hate was really too strong.I just dont really like it and dont want to use it.