A buff for agility

[Strudog]

Yes we need to buff those 2 hitting Katana my old friends who only have 9 strength and 3 PS, Agi builds deal a lot of damage and are better than STR builds if you know how to play it

[Mlekce]

Stuck in 2010 or something, believing agi is more important than str for spamming. You can chain two attacks in a row with any weapon and any build. The difference being, you can fail to acheive that without any penalty a lot of times when you stack strength, armor and IF, and need less hits to kill too. With an agi build, you swing marginally faster.

You cant do a 2 chained attacks vs glaive,mioadao,longsword,heavy bastard sword,broad short sword,side sword,liuyavedao,ashwood pike,war spear.
With katana you can infinite spam without any need of blocking once,good thing is that most of the ninjas are shit,but those who are good could infinite spam.
3 agi points are equal to 1 athl, 1 str for 1 hp is just meh. not worth it

[Ninja_Khorin]

You cant do a 2 chained attacks vs glaive,mioadao,longsword,heavy bastard sword,broad short sword,side sword,liuyavedao,ashwood pike,war spear.
With katana you can infinite spam without any need of blocking once,good thing is that most of the ninjas are shit,but those who are good could infinite spam.

3 agi points are equal to 1 athl, 1 str for 1 hp is just meh. not worth it

How do you reconcile that your post is mathematically nonsensical? #ReplyLikePaulDay

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Athletics has swing speed and movement speed. Strength has health and damage. Both in my opinion are equally valuable, which is why I'm 20/24, atm.

The only imbalance that I see in these stats that's worth mentioning is that a 36/3 strength/plate crutcher does way better than the 3/36 troll builds. In fact, 36/3 seems equally viable as a 15/24 build, or a 9/30 build.

[CrazyCracka420]

Kind of late in c-rpg tweaking to do anything about it, but agility is weaker than strength.  They should have removed the free WPF gain, or scaled Weapon master differently than they currently do, but it's far too late to start tweaking stuff like that (unless they want to give out free respecs, which they don't). 

Tydeus and some other players had come up with solutions a long time ago to make agility give more passive bonuses (like strength does), and to even the builds out a little bit.  There were these same discussions a year or a year and a half ago, but I'm far too lazy to search the forums (but you are free to go ahead and do so and bump them, because there were a lot of good suggestions). 

You are better off (at least as infantry) stacking more strength than agility.  I think the EU people tend to have more balanced or agility based builds, so that's why you see a lot of them disagreeing and complaining about 180 wpf 27 agility katana users and thinking "god I don't want them to swing or move any faster"

[Gurnisson]

Balanced builds are the best, leaning towards agility. While a 36/3 is miles better than a 3/36 build, 18/21 and 18/24 builds are better than 24/18 and 21/18 builds. The damage gained from strength is sub-par, because you grab that with speed bonus through the agility route as well. Choose strength for survivability and not to rage at archers, otherwise go balanced builds leaning towards agility. Some free wpf for agility wouldn't break anything, probably, but it's not really needed.

[CrazyCracka420]

That's where most EU and NA people disagree Gurnisson.  I think 27/12, 24/15 or 21/18 is way better than 12/27, 15/24 or 18/21 for 2h, polearm or 1h/shield.  6 powerstrike is pretty bad with a 1h, but is doable with 2h or polearm, anything less than 6 powerstrike and you're a glutton for punishment.

[Corsair831]

Yes please, we need more spam

in my experience, str builds spam more than agi builds, because they do more damage, and usually have more hp / armour, meaning there is less risk to them spamming

if an agi build fails his spam he usually dies, if an str build fails, he usually gets 12 more attempts at it


(case and point ivani4 /jk)

edit: also, i use a 15/24 1h shield polearm with a sidesword and i have no problem killing tincans(one on one, if you have to fight two tincans you're screwed), even with 32 cut, it's just about abusing your speed bonus

[Ronin]

Mobility over strength, you'll learn it over time.

[CrazyCracka420]

Mobility over strength, you'll learn it over time.

Sure if you're trying to be rambo.  In a group setting, strength is going to be far superior.  If you have a group of 7-10 "strength" heavy players (27/12 or 24/15) they're going to methodically mop up the enemy team.  Seen it happen time and time again. 

But then again, this is the main difference between EU and NA.  I don't expect anyone to have a "see the light" moment

[Strudog]

That's where most EU and NA people disagree Gurnisson.  I think 27/12, 24/15 or 21/18 is way better than 12/27, 15/24 or 18/21 for 2h, polearm or 1h/shield.  6 powerstrike is pretty bad with a 1h, but is doable with 2h or polearm, anything less than 6 powerstrike and you're a glutton for punishment.

just respecced to 18/24 1 hander no shield, best build i have tried, 6 PS is enough for a 1h and 8 Athl is ridiculously fast.

[CrazyCracka420]

What kind of 1h you using?  If it's a sword, what kind of sword?  6 powerstrike is pretty bad with a 1h sword that is unloomed.  6 powerstrike with a 34c weapon (like my MW knightly arming sword) would seem to do about the same damage as 7 power strike with 31c (unloomed). 

Most of my builds were 6 powerstrike using a 1h sword (when I was dismounted), and it was pretty painful.  It was certainly playable, but not nearly as good as 7 or 8 powerstrike (made a huge difference between 6 and 7 ps).  There's really no reason to need 8 athletics on the battle server unless you're trying to be rambo. 

[Strudog]

What kind of 1h you using?  If it's a sword, what kind of sword?  6 powerstrike is pretty bad with a 1h sword that is unloomed.  6 powerstrike with a 34c weapon (like my MW knightly arming sword) would seem to do about the same damage as 7 power strike with 31c (unloomed). 

Most of my builds were 6 powerstrike using a 1h sword (when I was dismounted), and it was pretty painful.  It was certainly playable, but not nearly as good as 7 or 8 powerstrike (made a huge difference between 6 and 7 ps).  There's really no reason to need 8 athletics on the battle server unless you're trying to be rambo. 

Scimitar and Spathovaklion both +3 are amazing 1h weapons

[Ronin]

Sure if you're trying to be rambo.  In a group setting, strength is going to be far superior.  If you have a group of 7-10 "strength" heavy players (27/12 or 24/15) they're going to methodically mop up the enemy team.  Seen it happen time and time again. 

But then again, this is the main difference between EU and NA.  I don't expect anyone to have a "see the light" moment

Nah not only for ramboing, it's also good in crowdfights too. Better positioning is just golden for me. I tried many builds and I think agility is way more superior than strength if you know how to use it. That is my opinion only though, but agility is definitely not weak.

I don't only mean movement speed (athletics and riding) by the way. Weapon master and shield are also underrated skills if you ask me. And they fit in the description of mobility in the way I see the word.

[sF_Guardian]

Agi and str seem pretty balanced to me and agi has nothing to do with spam.
After all strenght stacking is still way more powerful than agility stacking.
Smal buff would do fine IMO but it is not necessarily needed.

[El_Infante]

A buff for agility is a buff for strength builds, because no one plays 30/0.