Stakes in EU2!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Perverz]

Yes, i destroy every stake in sight because they do not fucking belong in this game mode.

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[karasu]

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[CrazyCracka420]

You do realize that just because you think that doesn't give you the right to grief your own team? Stakes can be useful and you can use them on siege, so anyone who want to use them is allowed to. You are NOT allowed to just indisciminately destroy them because you feel they don't belong on siege.

If they're boxing me in from being able to retreat, I'm going to break the shit out of them.

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[Tindel]

Stakes are 100% used to grief either the own team or the opposing team. Since they were added only as a means to fight of cavalry, which doesnt exist on siege.
 They only add fun for the player who threw them on the ground.
For everyone else they are just shit, its like the Construction site spam or the ladder spam all over again.

Since the devs doesnt do anything about it, the community have taken matters into its own hands.
If you want to be a part of that community, follow the unwritten rules.

I lost all patience regarding stakes the first week they were added, now its just triggers rage to still see them in the game and placed on the ground.

[Kafein]

Since there's no way to distinguish between enemy an ally stakes, I always assume any stakes I see is from the enemy, and I destroy it for that reason.

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[Fips]

Since there's no way to distinguish between enemy an ally stakes, I always assume any stakes I see is from the enemy, and I destroy it for that reason.

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LOOPHOLE !

Oh snap, why didn't i think of that first xD

[IG_Saint]

Since they were added only as a means to fight of cavalry, which doesnt exist on siege.

This seems to be one of the core arguments from all the anti stake people, that they're only supposed to be used against cavalry. Breaking news people: They block infantry as well! Their main function might be as anti cav items, but they're also useful as infantry barricades.

I lost all patience regarding stakes the first week they were added, now its just triggers rage to still see them in the game and placed on the ground.

And I lost all patience with any form of horse ranged a long time ago as well, that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to play their class. Just like HRE's irrational hatred of stakes does not justify destroying them whenever they see em.

I still believe the best scenario would be limiting the number of deployed "ladders/mats" at the same time. Instead of completely removing them, or simply letting be abused like this.

There is already a limit as far as I know, it's just way way to high for normal game modes and only relevant in strat battles.

[no_rules_just_play]

Just like HRE's irrational hatred of stakes

well i think as a clan that plays alot of siege its quite normal to already have discussed the use of stakes as its very easy to notice how they often fuck you up as defender while you never actually notice stakes stopping you as attacker. When you are attacker and you see stakes blocking off the gatehouse, you can just laugh internally because you know you are going to win.

[Fips]

And I lost all patience with any form of horse ranged a long time ago as well, that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to play their class. Just like HRE's irrational hatred of stakes does not justify destroying them whenever they see em.

It's not irrational hatred, not at all. And the reason why i (i am not speaking for the whole HRE, so please only blame me or the other guys posting here) destroy them in the first place is simple. They have a very high probability of being a object of grief for me. And i already stated the reasons why the people placing them are indeed griefing their own team, although many people don't see that and do it unintentionally. And usually when i tell those people why i just destroyed their stakes most of them actually get it why it's not good to place them wherever they placed them.

So why shouldn't i be allowed to get rid of them if there is a very good chance that they will fuck me or my teammates up?
I've seen so many defenders getting stuck in the stakes of their own teammates that i feel the need to destroy them just for the teams sake.


Oh, and for the blocking of infantry. Guess what: It involves all the infrantry, not only enemies =P
If some peasant decides to place stakes right infront of the way to the flag blocking every goddamn defender trying to back off to the flag area and getting them killed and then dying by 1hit losing the flag you tell me how that's not griefing.

Siege is not like battle where you can camp the whole round in your stake-fortress, you need to be able to move forward and backwards in the already very small gateways/houses/streets/whatever, and stakes deny that almost 100 percent of the time they are used.


Edit: Also, i'd like to remind you that i am only talking about bad placed stakes. As i already said they are a very very rare exception, though. That's why they should be just removed.

[Paul]

I can halve stakes hp on siege.

[wayyyyyne]

you should really just remove them for good

[IG_Saint]

i am not speaking for the whole HRE, so please only blame me or the other guys posting here

Yes, you're right, it was unfair to blame all of HRE, you guys just have a lot of members who are very prolific in their hatred of stakes and I've had to warn HRE members before for needlessly destroying their own teams stakes.

Edit: Also, i'd like to remind you that i am only talking about bad placed stakes. As i already said they are a very very rare exception, though. That's why they should be just removed.

I disagree, there are plenty of opportunities to use stakes properly. You mentioned one earlier:

people throw them at the top of ladders to completely block attackers for more than 30 seconds because they build up in a very weird way

Yes, it's stupid planting stakes into solid stone, yes, it's stupid the way they build up and stick through solid objects. It's still a legimate use of stakes that in no way harms the defenders.
A lot of times stakes are very situational, where planting them in the same spot on the map can either win or lose the round, that's just the nature of fortifications: They benefit whoever is on the right side of them.

Removing stakes (or construction sites, or ladders) just feels like going backwards to me. They add a very interesting dynamic element to an otherwise static map. Do they have problems, yes, but just removing them, instead of improving them is ridiculous.

All of that is rather besides the point though, the main point I've been trying to make clear throughout this thread is that so long as something is ingame and useable, nobody has the right to deny anyone from using them.

[Berserkadin]

HRE, you should build some sort of camp where you can take all the stakes all around the world and then gas them, yes even the stake-puppies.

[Teeth]

The devs, instead of trying to improve on ladders to fix the problems with them, just said fuck it and removed them completely from any game mode besides strat. Worst decisions they ever made imo.

Yes, because the devs have such a good record of being able to quickly fix problems that arise with new mechanics. Ladders ruined both battle and siege, never forget.

Stakes on siege are a knavery, you can troll so hard with them. Doing a fighting retreat? Hah, let me place some stakes behind you. Besides, usually siege maps have been designed to be balanced because of properly timed routes for both teams. Stake spam can upset this balance extensively, and not in a good way. Defenders always have to move in two directions, defenders are trying to get to the flag as much as attackers, stakes are rarely just annoying for one team. It's not like stakes add an interesting layer to gameplay, just a nuisance. I ask you, what are the pro's of having stakes on siege?

[Jarold]

Since there's no way to distinguish between enemy an ally stakes, I always assume any stakes I see is from the enemy, and I destroy it for that reason.

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LOOPHOLE !

Damnit, I was gonna say that!