Disgrace......

[wayyyyyne]

Wenn das meine Frage beantworten soll, dann werden ich und mein Kumpel jetzt mal eben schnell wie die Blöden alles in unserem Team umbringen und uns dann nachher gegenseitig entbannen, um dem stress­ge­plagten und Burn-out gefährdeten Admin unnötige Arbeit zu ersparen. Und um zu verhindern, dass unnötig Gefühle verletzt werden.

[Erzengel]

I don't get the connection between Alex and DIelers ban request, seems totally idiotic to remove the bans imo.
Apart from that this stupid hate on admins because they do their job is embarrassing.
Ivani4 is a legend, loved him from thze first moment I played cRPG (On siege with his rusty scale armor and Armet if I remember it right)
But rules apply for everyone and should so.

Dieler made a ban request because Ivani teamkilled him. Alex made a ban request for Dieler, because he made one for Ivani (well at least this was the main motivation as far as I understood). So it made sense to remove both bans if everybody agrees.

[Jarold]

I've never seen Ivani in game but this must be injustice of the most despicable kind!

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Both players agreed to lift the ban, so where is the problem? Isn't this the best solution for everybody? Drama solved without too many feelings hurt. 

Because it wasn't Ivani4 requesting a ban on Dieler Alexjei should have a say (he's a decent guy and would probably say yes anyhow).

[Erzengel]

Wenn das meine Frage beantworten soll, dann werden ich und mein Kumpel jetzt mal eben schnell wie die Blöden alles in unserem Team umbringen und uns dann nachher gegenseitig entbannen, um dem stress­ge­plagten und Burn-out gefährdeten Admin unnötige Arbeit zu ersparen.

Well, seems like you understood absolutely nothing. What you are describing here has nothing to do with this case. What is wrong if all players involved decide to solve the situation without a ban? Nobody else was hurt at all.

You should also post in English.

Because it wasn't Ivani4 requesting a ban on Dieler Alexjei should have a say (he's a decent guy and would probably say yes anyhow).

Alexjei was the first one who agreed on it. He liked my idea, as you can see from this post: http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/disgrace/msg810434/#msg810434

Oh boy, sometimes it is really difficult...

[sF_Guardian]

So if I get it right I can tk a friend on the servers and when I get banned can unban myself by him agreeing on unbanning me?
Seems nice, might test it out.

[Grumbs]

I would say normally that would not be allowed, but its a special occasion because cRPG celebrities involved. It probably wouldn't work again

[sF_Guardian]

Celebs get special treatment, just like in reality 

[Erzengel]

So if I get it right I can tk a friend on the servers and when I get banned can unban myself by him agreeing on unbanning me?
Seems nice, might test it out.

If all players involved agree that no ban is needed, you will get unbanned. Already did this several times in the past.

Oh and wayyyyyne you don't have to downvote all of my post. It is not my fault that you are not the most intelligent out there. 

[wayyyyyne]

Ich verstehe überhaupt nicht, wie man auch nur auf die Idee kommen kann die Strafe für 2 Leute auszusetzen, nur weil sie sich gegenseitig die Absolution erteilt haben und weil man Angst vor Reaktionen und verletzten Gefühlen hat.

Und den Vergleich den ich gemacht habe passt. Wie ist das mit 2 Verbrechern, die beide aus der Haft entlassen werden, weil sie sich über die Haftbedingungen beschweren und vom jeweils anderen sagen "passt schon. Macht eh ü-ber-haupt nichts". Deiner Logik nach ist das DIE Lösung, weil hey, dann heulen die beiden doch nicht rum und gegenseitig verziehen haben sie sich doch auch, oder?

[Grumbs]

I don't really care in this instance but tking affects the whole server not just the immediate guys involved. Dieler only agreed to unban ivani because he had tk'd as well himself

I would say in future if a ban is issued leave it alone, although i would rather not have dieler or ivani banned you send the wrong message by unbanning them. Tk's affect everyone on the server

Not that I care in this instance, just saying for future.

[sF_Guardian]

If all players involved agree that no ban is needed, you will get unbanned. Already did this several times in the past.

Oh and wayyyyyne you don't have to downvote all of my post. It is not my fault that you are not the most intelligent out there. 

Personal attacks are always the right way to go if someone writes something you don't agree on 
Even though Wayne's comparisons are not the straightest this is just poor.

[Erzengel]

Ich verstehe überhaupt nicht, wie man auch nur auf die Idee kommen kann die Strafe für 2 Leute auszusetzen, nur weil sie sich gegenseitig die Absolution erteilt haben und weil man Angst vor den Reaktionen und verletzten Gefühlen hat.

Und den Vergleich den ich gemacht habe passt. Wie ist das mit 2 Verbrechern, die beide aus der Haft entlassen werden, weil sie sich über die Haftbedingungen beschweren und vom jeweils anderen sagen "passt schon. Macht eh ü-ber-haupt nichts". Deiner Logik nach ist das DIE Lösung, weil hey, dann heulen die beiden doch nicht rum und gegenseitig verziehen haben sie sich doch auch, oder?

We are not talking about criminals here. This is only a game, in which two online characters were teamattacked/teamkilled once. There is no need to punish somebody for a "greater justice". Nobody was really hurt. It is always the best, if players can solve their conflicts without a ban. If I was afraid of bad reactions, I wouldn't have answered the ban request at all. I knew how popular ivani4 is and that there most likely would be a shitstorm.

People in this game are always complaining, no matter what you do.

[Prpavi]

No admin for Erzengel!!!

Free ivani4!!

[Erzengel]

No admin for Erzengel!!!

Free ivani4!!

He is already unbanned sweetheart.