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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2013, 06:55:58 pm »
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Then at 36 you could do the following 21/24 build:

60 HP

2 IF (1 if you took 5 shield)
7 PS
4 Shield (5 if you're a Huscarl puutie like Matey)
8 Athletics
8 WM

177 1H WPF
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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2013, 07:04:12 pm »
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I'm on level 30 with my 21/15 build, 5 shield skill 5 WM and a Heavy Round Shield. I have to say it feels pretty fast and gives great coverage. Blocks come in quick, feints are swift, and I'm pretty much safe from arrows and bolts coming from either side.

I haven't tried raising the shield skill, so I can't really tell. Regardless I'm really contempt with 5 shield skill.
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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2013, 07:49:21 pm »
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Then at 36 you could do the following 21/24 build:

60 HP

2 IF
7 PS
4 Shield
8 Athletics
8 WM


177 1H WPF

4 shield? are you mad? you couldn't even lift a huscarl! Get out of here polearm user! get!

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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2013, 08:39:53 pm »
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4 shield? are you mad? you couldn't even lift a huscarl! Get out of here polearm user! get!

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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2013, 04:54:11 pm »
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May be a little late to the party...but...

21/21 is a hot build for any class. No need to sacrifice all your stats for an extra PS pts, especially when you are someone like San who has no problem getting extra hits in. I almost never got shot around the shield, but I do have instances where 2h's glitch their animations and start their swings behind me shield. But I guess something like that really cant be avoided. (So I recommend Rhaelys' build, first post, second page)

Other than that, it seems you noticed the niftiest trick on how to best use speed bonus. Avoiding damage, and dealing stupid amounts of it. Just shh, don't let the masses of 2h heroes figure that out. You can use speed bonus effectively starting at 18 agi+, imo, and it is at a good balance at 21 agi. I think 24 agi is a tad overkill for NA servers, though many will disagree.

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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2013, 11:24:12 pm »
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I really liked having 24 agi / 8 ath because I could zip across the map and save someone who was in a losing fight against the enemy team. Helping your teamates survive is a great way to get to x5 multiplier!  :wink:

At 8 shield skill you pretty much never have to worry about it breaking. I'd only go that high if you are taking a smaller shield though. 6 or 7 should be enough with a round or heater shield.
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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2013, 12:27:12 am »
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6 Shield is ideal for knightly heater / elite cav shield because it makes them nearly instant.
7 Shield is nearly the same speed with a heavy round shield.
8 Shield is nearly the same speed with a huscarl shield.

Skill does nothing to help with catching arrows or swings as far as I know.

Higher shield only allows you to use larger coverage shields effectively imho.

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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2013, 08:22:05 pm »
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Someone's gotta go against the grain here

Level 35 (142 278 448 xp)

Strength: 30
Agility: 12
Converted: 4
Ironflesh: 6
Power Strike: 9
Shield: 4
Athletics: 4
Power Throw: 5
Weapon Master: 4
One Handed: 118
Throwing: 104

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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2013, 09:12:15 pm »
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Someone's gotta go against the grain here

Level 35 (142 278 448 xp)

Strength: 30
Agility: 12
Converted: 4
Ironflesh: 6
Power Strike: 9
Shield: 4
Athletics: 4
Power Throw: 5
Weapon Master: 4
One Handed: 118
Throwing: 104

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Filthy str crutching blasphemous heathen shielder! BURN!!!!

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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2013, 09:25:27 pm »
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And I felt dirty with 24 str a few gens back as shielder... damn turbo.
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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2013, 09:44:06 pm »
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Someone's gotta go against the grain here

Level 35 (142 278 448 xp)

Strength: 30
Agility: 12
Converted: 4
Ironflesh: 6
Power Strike: 9
Shield: 4
Athletics: 4
Power Throw: 5
Weapon Master: 4
One Handed: 118
Throwing: 104

The club can't even handle me right now

No maxed out Power Strike? Why did you go for 30 strength then? Fail build.  :P

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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2013, 10:12:38 pm »
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Oh yeah 10 PS, 5 IF then

Im 24-15 now, but Im tempted to do that at 35.

I did 24-12 until 33 and it was fine.

With throwing I don't need much athletics, I just throw at anyone trying to s-key me and they go back to W key real fast. +3 heavy round doesn't break much even at 4 shield.

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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2013, 01:19:25 am »
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Then at 36 you could do the following 21/24 build:

60 HP

2 IF (1 if you took 5 shield)
7 PS
4 Shield (5 if you're a Huscarl puutie like Matey)
8 Athletics
8 WM

177 1H WPF

Is wpf really that useful? At lvl 36 he can has:
Level: 36
Health Points: 70
Weapon Proficiency Points: 2

Strength: 21
Agility: 24

One Handed: 139

Ironflesh: 7
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 4
Athletics: 8
Weapon Master: 3

10 hp more for 38 wpf (and even less effective wpf)...
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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2013, 05:54:06 am »
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Without the wpf, I lose a point in powerstrike and a good amount of swing speed. I got outswung a ton with 131 wpf, and on my stf with 172, the difference is night and day. It allows the slower blunt weapons to swing nearly as fast as the cut weapons, with much better earlier hits.

My 15/24 stf is working out so well, I decided I will do 18/27 over 21/24. With 66 body armor and 54 hp, I was tanking more hits (and avoiding even more) than my 76 hp main in 56 body armor.

Let's say each point in athletics + 3 agi allows you to maintain the same speed with 7.5 more weight.

Let's also say a competitive speed to be fast is 7ath with 15 total weight. 9ath will let me wear 15 more weight of armor, especially since a lot of that original 15 weight consisted of weapons/boots/helmets/gloves that won't change the weight that much. That's the difference between tunic over mail and the heaviest of plate. Not to mention the acceleration stays great, and PS past 6 isn't affected by blunt weapons too much.

The massive amount of wpf will keep my damage high. 5 shield is better than 5 IF, so 2h variants may be worse since they just get shot up. 18 strength is also the minimum for all the heaviest armor and gear outside of the great maul.

    Strength: 18
    Agility: 27
    Hit points: 53

    Skills to attributes: 8

    Power Strike: 6
    Shield: 5
    Athletics: 9
    Weapon Master: 9

    One Handed: 185

With a blunt weapon and a sword, consistent damage will be made. It can easily catch archers while running in plate, and deal good amounts of damage with blunt. If there is a knockdown, a held attack+speed bonus can deal multiples of damage of a normal swing. Held attacks are easier to land in general with higher ath. Good armor + speed bonus manipulation helps mitigate damage. Hoplite weapons can be used with 1wpf if sorely needed against cav. Weaknesses are getting hit by blunt weapons or getting knocked down. I learned that I don't need exorbitant amounts of speed, just competitive levels of 6-7ath medium armor is more than fast enough.

185 wpf? Utter insanity, I must do this. Moving faster than infantry with gothic plate with bevor? Priceless.

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Re: Forcefield from 5->7 shield skill and build advice
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2013, 08:41:10 am »
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That's pretty much my dream 1H/shield build. Looks like a lot of fun. 6 PS and 9 Ath would also let you pull some hilarious dagger combat if you wore light mail or cloth armor.
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