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Do you think that something should be done with Longswords and Heavy Bastard Swords?

Take them out
2 (3.6%)
Buff them
9 (16.1%)
Nerf Them
27 (48.2%)
Buff other 2h decreasing the number of double swinging sissies
10 (17.9%)
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8 (14.3%)

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Voting closed: June 12, 2013, 07:11:40 pm

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Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« on: June 07, 2013, 06:46:48 pm »
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If you haven't read Rusty Spoons PSA I suggest you do, it also informs that there are more than just 2, 2 handers on the marketplace.

First I would like to draw you attention to the stats of the weapons and compare to a similar 2h:

Longsword
weapon length: 106
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 99
weapon length: 106
thrust damage: 23 pierce
swing damage: 37 cut
slots: 2
Secondary Mode
6,660 gold *look at it ITS THE DEVILS NUMBER

Heavy Bastard Sword
weapon length: 105
weight: 2
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 100
weapon length: 105
thrust damage: 23 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut
slots: 2
Secondary Mode
5,480 gold

Katana
weapon length: 95
weight: 1.5
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 100
weapon length: 95
thrust damage: 18 pierce
swing damage: 38 cut
slots: 2
9,376 gold

Comparing the HBS to the Katana the katana only has 2 more cut, compared to the Heavy Bastards 5 more pierce and 10 more length. They have the same speed and Katana stab is weak even +3, although the HBS has a very much useable stab. Also the prices they may not matter to most players but it does seem odd how they are priced. The heavy bastard being 5 more pierce, longer and as fast as the katana is around 3k less.

This may of been written in a QQ fashion but many others will agree that the number of players using the longsword or heavy bastard has gotten out of hand. Last night on NA2 with 22 Players (PLAY SIEGE PEOPLES) there were 11 2h while 10 out of those 11 2h were using heavy bastard or longsword. I garuntee that when I goto NA 1 with 60+ Players online I will get similar results. Besides the sheer number of players using them they have the power to double swing many other weapons if used in the correct manner which many users of these swords have found out and use greatly. You know by moving with the swing making it take 2x as long while they are able to swing for a second time. Unless you have good reflexes that double swing will always get you. Some people may call it footwork but I call it pure overpowered if you can do that to 90% of other weapons besides itself. I dont think that a nerf is possible or taking them out. But allowing the other 2h to shine may help greatly reduce the amount of double swinging longsword/HBS users that start 2h being called OP. Thank you for your time, and if you are using a longsword or HBS DROP IT YA WIMP GET A REAL WEAPON --~--Waffle



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Re: Longswords Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2013, 06:55:55 pm »
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Let me save your time - both are shitty OP shit.

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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2013, 07:08:41 pm »
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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 07:45:26 pm »
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add a heavy longsword....  :lol:
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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 07:46:04 pm »
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add a heavy longsword....  :lol:

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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2013, 07:52:29 pm »
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hey man,i just did a second respec to 2h,so don't nerf it now. I wanna be OP for a change.

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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2013, 07:53:05 pm »
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Please buff 2h swords.
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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2013, 07:57:53 pm »
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The GS nerfs and shorter sword buff was implemented because there was only 2 2h actually in use on EU. The danish and the german, and it had been like that for 2 years.

Also, 2h heroes complained that DGS and GGS were too slow after some slight nerfs..

The solution was to make the shorter 2h swords more viable/faster, while nerfing the longer ones to actually create some variety in 2h weapon use. It worked, on EU we do have slightly more variation than we used to have.

Why the longswords are so popular on NA only god knows. Perhaps because you don't need weaponmaster to be fast with them?
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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2013, 08:01:10 pm »
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They are so popular because you can spam the shit out of everyone,and still deal a lot of dmg. 40 cut on mw with over 100 speed. WTF?

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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2013, 08:03:14 pm »
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So the sword swing graphic becomes the sun the second picture... with your name on it? What does this signify? Tell us!
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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2013, 08:04:32 pm »
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short broad longsword needed too
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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2013, 08:07:19 pm »
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Why the longswords are so popular on NA only god knows. Perhaps because you don't need weaponmaster to be fast with them?

I think because they are fast and easy to use, people use TONS of WPF with them it just makes em faster with more damage. It allows more double swinging and ease of use.
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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2013, 08:08:14 pm »
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We should just lower the damage on the Longsword and HBS and increase it on GS and dat shit
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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2013, 08:08:56 pm »
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So the sword swing graphic becomes the sun the second picture... with your name on it? What does this signify? Tell us!

Its a signal from the God of cRPG himself (KEN456) that you should obviously listen and convert to waffleism.
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Re: Longswords & Heavy Bastard Swords
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2013, 08:09:44 pm »
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