Nerf Super Armoured Armies on Strat Map (not in-game)

[Corsair831]

It's getting pretty silly at this stage of strat that every single army is in full plate, I have already suggested nerfing the economy so people can't afford it as easily; however if this isn't an option, perhaps you could make it so that armies move at different speeds

lightly armed - moves the fastest

armed - in between movement speed

heavily armed - slow movement speed

shiny - slower movement speed

Obviously this would mean that the normal armies used at the moment would be slower ... however it does have the advantage of making lower levels of armour useful where they are completely worthless at the moment ... an army guys well equipped in light armour could outmanouvere a shiny armour which takes twice as long to reach it's destination

Just a thought, would encourage more strategic diversity whilst not actually nerfing the effectiveness of shiny armour in-game

Corsair

[Haboe]

Will make strat even slower and trade even faster.

[Butan]

Actually, its the troop size that influence the speed the most; if you wear all the items you have, it doesnt influence a lot (cargo weight still influences some I guess) but if you wander around with 300 shiny, you will be a whole lot faster than an army with 1500 shiny (particularly in forested area, hills and such).


But I understand your point; cargo weight could have more influence on speed, it would better simulate how slow the troops are individually (like ingame).

[Darkoveride]

plate just leads to boring battles.

[Ronin]

The recruitment system needs to be changed imo (addition to economy)

If troops would be less valuable and gold more valuable (like in reality), all items would have a better chance to be used. In the current strat, troops are so valuable and irreplacable that people arm them as best as they can. And for that, they only use blunt and pierce weapons. Not to mention that lightly armed troops have a chance to get pushed out to the flags very easily. Makes it an even more silly tactic.

[Jack1]

The recruitment system needs to be changed imo (addition to economy)

If troops would be less valuable and gold more valuable (like in reality), all items would have a better chance to be used. In the current strat, troops are so valuable and irreplacable that people arm them as best as they can. And for that, they only use blunt and pierce weapons. Not to mention that lightly armed troops have a chance to get pushed out to the flags very easily. Makes it an even more silly tactic.

The first part would just create tons of battles with extremely lightly armored troops.

And the second part is true, but, lightly armored caravans would not be bought by heavy armored ones with this new scenario

[Haboe]

Nerf gold... Don't get me wrong, i love gold in games, but its too easy to make in strat...
If i have more gold and equipment then i can use on troops in my faction, it's no longer a challenge.
And facing challenges is the only reason i spend time in strat...

[Kanclerz]

[...]
lightly armed - moves the fastest

armed - in between movement speed

heavily armed - slow movement speed

shiny - slower movement speed

[...]
Corsair

I believe that this proposal is hard to accept. This idea will extend the war.


I do not like guys in Plate armors. My idea: Just limit their number to buy, (City: Suno Limit Plate armors: 2000 for two weeks).

[Haboe]

with the current goldgain, it would be a waste to use any non-shiny troop in the field. If they become too slow to move plated army's, it will simply result in more camping and stacking

[Kanclerz]

Yes Haboe, big NO for positional warfare

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[Haboe]

Yes Haboe, big NO for positional warfare

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I'm not sure what you try to imply here... You think im from germany or something?

[Kanclerz]

I do not think you're a German
This image is from first global camping, positioning warfare xD as an example
I do not want to sit in a trench/castle/city with a crossbow or bow all the time ;d

Strategus armies must be mobile, otherwise it will kill the dynamics of the strategus
Idea for nerf speed of shiny armies is bad ;C :C ;C :C



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[Penguin]

Increase the price on all armors, with the top-tiered items going up by as much as 300%. Make a new recruitment option, the option to recruit and "train" elite soldiers. These will take twice as long to recruit than the current rate and they will be able to use super heavy armor without penalty. The penalty for normal soldiers using the heavy armors will be slowed speed on the strat map, a speed nerf in game, and a weapon degradation of -3 ranks. (only when actually spawning with them during your battle.) Yes, it's quite a radical nerf, but when any solo trader can pretty much make 2 million strat gold in trading in a single week, it's the kind of change that is necessary

[Sparvico]

Increase the price on all armors, with the top-tiered items going up by as much as 300%. Make a new recruitment option, the option to recruit and "train" elite soldiers. These will take twice as long to recruit than the current rate and they will be able to use super heavy armor without penalty. The penalty for normal soldiers using the heavy armors will be slowed speed on the strat map, a speed nerf in game, and a weapon degradation of -3 ranks. (only when actually spawning with them during your battle.) Yes, it's quite a radical nerf, but when any solo trader can pretty much make 2 million strat gold in trading in a single week, it's the kind of change that is necessary

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[Corsair831]

well yeah i think some of you guys are missing my point, shiny armies would still be the best for big military moves like attacking castles etc, but having light armoured troops moving faster than shiny armoured troops means that, to use an example, if a faction sent out a caravan of 2000 "shiny" troops, it could be intercepted by 3500 "armed" troops and they may be able to defeat it ...

what i'm suggesting isn't to nerf 'shiny' armies, it's to encourage the use of other armies (light, armed, heavy), which are at the moment, Never Used

If you make it so each army has a different strat map speed, sure, you'll use your shiny armies to attack castles / fiefs / cities like they are used at the moment, but for open field battles it might be advantageous to use heavily armed or even armed armies.