Two Directional Polearms.

[Teeth]

Teeth was using an english bill on the server today and I think he GTX after 2 maps or so.

Nownow, I only went on to try it out for a little while, because I really should be studying, I did even worse when I switched to pike so perhaps it had more to do with myself than the weapon. I was very pleasantly surprised at first, but then I failed to outrange a 2h stab 4 times in a row with my overhead because he could walk a full meter by the time my overhead landed. I'll give it another chance when I have more time.

[Jarlek]

I was talking with gurni some time ago and we discussed the problem with bill/halberd.

The overheads are slow, pretty much anything can spam them, yet they still don't really do that much damage. I don't see why the halberd should have the same cut damage as a katana, or the 1 less than the glaive. Same with the english bills 31p. That's the same as a steel pick and a lot less than the morningstar.

Let the overheads be really slow, hard-to-turn attacks that deals massive damage when it hits. Kinda like the mauls, except instead of CT and backup sideswings, you get long reach.

[Grumbs]

Give damage buff for 2 direction poles, maybe not for awlpoke

[Jarlek]

Give damage buff for the overhead on 2 direction poles, maybe not for awlpoke

FTFY

[Grumbs]

Bill and Halbard needs stab buff at least
The others are still just meh . No point in using most 2 directions when you can get either sideswings or longspear. They don't bring much to the table for the lack of 2 directions

[Grumbs]

Zlisch_The_Maddiedownvoter how about a comment?

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

k, here you go, a comment. Besides maybe some more overhead damage or weight (first once turnspeed isn't definded by weight, turnspeed should stay what it is).
I was able to duel somewhat competitively with my unloomed bill after a few tries and getting used to its turnspeed, it honestly is a decent weapon.

[Gurnisson]

first once turnspeed isn't definded by weight

A combination of length and weight. That's why the bill turn as slow as the great maul and pike..

[Grumbs]

k, here you go, a comment. Besides maybe some more overhead damage or weight (first once turnspeed isn't definded by weight, turnspeed should stay what it is).
I was able to duel somewhat competitively with my unloomed bill after a few tries and getting used to its turnspeed, it honestly is a decent weapon.

What is your idea of "duel competitively"? And how does that fit into balance in terms of battle?

[Kaoklai]

A combination of length and weight. That's why the bill turn as slow as the great maul and pike..

It was worded poorly, but I think he might be talking about the proposed tailoring of turn-rates for each weapon individually some time in the future (instead of the current formula).  Either way, I wonder if a dev could chime in and say whether such plans are still being pursued (probably not) 

[Grumbs]

Thats like saying we should talk about balance like we have hilts doing blunt damage, as was also proposed. Or any other pie in the sky idea. Buff 2 handers cos stab will be nerfed

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Thats like saying we should talk about balance like we have hilts doing blunt damage, as was also proposed. Or any other pie in the sky idea. Buff 2 handers cos stab is too weak

Except that you're missing me saying ONCE turnspeed is no longer tied to weight, as in, ONCE THAT HAPPENS they could increase the weight, but for now they should just increase the swing damage a bit/do nothing.

[Grumbs]

Tell me about your strong dueling then, and how that ties into current battle scenario

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Tell me about your strong dueling then, and how that ties into current battle scenario

You see Grumbs, in battle, for those scenarios where all your teammates die and it's just you vs some other guy, a dueling scenario would occur. And this weapon along with being decent enough for dueling is pretty good support for all other parts of battle.

[Grumbs]

Its not. In a duel you want anything other than 2d poles. You want 2d or 1 d attacks for group combat. 2 d is a liability against someone who is competent and has side swings imo

Who did you duel consistently and beat with bills btw?