What do western people think about Syria? What does your media tell you?

[Overdriven]

to the guy who said he avoids hadith, what a seriously jahel notion, Allah tells us in quran for example prayer is prescribed on the believers, but Allah does not tell us how to pray for example, we get that from sunnah ie hadith so now if u reject hadith how do u pray? do u pray based on how u think u should? you cant reject one part of hadith and accept other ie prayer ones that is being a munafiq, hadith is bigger than just what the prophet said but its our way.

That's precisely why I'm still a little wary of how to pray and that very structured way of doing it and that's one of the things that differs slightly between different communities depending which hadith they follow. I reject all hadith. I don't accept any of it. I take what I get from the Quran as well as talking to other Muslim's about how they feel they best interact with God. Because ultimately that is what is important.

I think a lot of Muslim's I've met worry far to much about following something set in stone and forget ultimately what religion is about and the faith they are meant to have. For example there are Muslim's that pray 5 times a day in that set way and follow much of the Hadiths, yet they judge people, gossip, sometimes activley go out of their way to make others miserable and things like that. And that goes against much of what Islam teaches.

Anyone's faith in God is between them and God. No one else. And I think that's reflected in prayer. In my eyes you can pray how you want to.

[Teeth]

Just ignore Abay and move along.

[baybars]

That's precisely why I'm still a little wary of how to pray and that very structured way of doing it and that's one of the things that differs slightly between different communities depending which hadith they follow. I reject all hadith. I don't accept any of it. I take what I get from the Quran as well as talking to other Muslim's about how they feel they best interact with God. Because ultimately that is what is important.

I think a lot of Muslim's I've met worry far to much about following something set in stone and forget ultimately what religion is about and the faith they are meant to have. For example there are Muslim's that pray 5 times a day in that set way and follow much of the Hadiths, yet they judge people, gossip, sometimes activley go out of their way to make others miserable and things like that. And that goes against much of what Islam teaches.

Anyone's faith in God is between them and God. No one else. And I think that's reflected in prayer. In my eyes you can pray how you want to.

then i believe u need to study the religeon more if that is what you believe, someone who rejects hadith totally is unjustified and clearly shows they have alot more to learn for example we have Hadith Muttawatir please research. you need to stop seeing islam as a religeon as such, islam meaning peace through submition to the one who created you. so everything from the sun, stars, moon, even oxygon, atoms basically every natural being on earth is classed as a muslim, because they follow there natural way, humans on other hand choose wether to follow there natural way ie being muslim(the one who has submitted), my advice to you would be research properly what hadith really means. without hadith yes you will be under islam but wont know how to be muslim.

[Lars]

I wonder when will Humanity stop killing because of crafted fairytales.

Alpor is the one true god, all men must serve him

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[Henry_Broodsonson]

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[Overdriven]

then i believe u need to study the religeon more if that is what you believe, someone who rejects hadith totally is unjustified and clearly shows they have alot more to learn for example we have Hadith Muttawatir please research. you need to stop seeing islam as a religeon as such, islam meaning peace through submition to the one who created you. so everything from the sun, stars, moon, even oxygon, atoms basically every natural being on earth is classed as a muslim, because they follow there natural way, humans on other hand choose wether to follow there natural way ie being muslim(the one who has submitted), my advice to you would be research properly what hadith really means. without hadith yes you will be under islam but wont know how to be muslim.

Studying it is the reason I came to this conclusion. But much of the current Islamic faith system is about obeying the words of high 'scholars' through history who are supposedly more educated on such matters. And that gives them a level of power they were never meant to attain. Again I disagree, the fundamental laws come from the Quran. The Hadith are largely influenced by culture. Culture of the area at the time, the culture of various Islamic Empires and the culture of differing sects of Muslim's. But culture should have no part in faith. By following the fundamental teachings of the Islamic faith you are Muslim. The Hadith simply make you follow teaching's of different sections of communities.

[Kafein]

Afaik, the Quran is an even bigger mess than both the new and old testaments. It was edited countless times, removing and adding so many contradictory parts that in the end you can interpret it as a humanist treaty, as a pamphlet for violent religious conversion and expansion or anything in between depending on what you keep. Goes to show how much holy books are the least god-given thing ever.

[Oberyn]

Well that's really the crux of the problem isn't it. You wouldn't be considered a muslim to the vast majority of those that identify as such. When you look at salafis and wahhabists and deobandis they spend the vast majority of their time accusing other muslims as apostates or kaffirs or that the things they do are haram or shirk or bid'ah. i.e not "true" muslims. Which is...what always happens with religions? (sorry for all the edits, there's just so many words to describe something as "anti-muslim", I keep having to add them)
I know it's "your" religion, so obviously it's special and not like those other religions at all, but schisms, quite often due to cultural/local interprations, happen constantly. The only way the majority of the muslim world will be united politically under their religion is if one interpretation of it imposes itself by force. So in a way the nutbags have the most realistic solution if the goal is restoring the caliphate.

[baybars]

Afaik, the Quran is an even bigger mess than both the new and old testaments. It was edited countless times, removing and adding so many contradictory parts that in the end you can interpret it as a humanist treaty, as a pamphlet for violent religious conversion and expansion or anything in between depending on what you keep. Goes to show how much holy books are the least god-given thing ever.

that is such a ridiculous claim, millions of people on the earth have memorized the quran from back to from every letter and full stop. it hasent changed, not even 1 letter has been changed since its revelation. a muslim from china recites the exact same quran as the muslim from amercia. we only have 1 version not mutliple like bible for example. the english or other language translations may have differences but we dont call them qurans only translations the original text is the same. show your proof if you are truthfull.

[Rumblood]

I wonder when will Humanity stop killing because of crafted fairytales.

I view religious arguments like people arguing over their favorite color. It started out with the primary colors of red, blue, and yellow. Now they argue over salmon vs chartreuse vs ultramarine and a million colors in between.

Then they take out a knife and stab each other.

[SoA_Sir_ODHarry]

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U got 100 Points now all Facts invalid gratz

[Leshma]

then i believe u need to study the religeon more if that is what you believe, someone who rejects hadith totally is unjustified and clearly shows they have alot more to learn for example we have Hadith Muttawatir please research. you need to stop seeing islam as a religeon as such, islam meaning peace through submition to the one who created you. so everything from the sun, stars, moon, even oxygon, atoms basically every natural being on earth is classed as a muslim, because they follow there natural way, humans on other hand choose wether to follow there natural way ie being muslim(the one who has submitted), my advice to you would be research properly what hadith really means. without hadith yes you will be under islam but wont know how to be muslim.

To prove your claim you would have to define what natural means. But you're lucky, because religion doesn't work like that. Religion works this way:

You say that Islam is the true way of living or following natural way of things. By saying that you have defined Islam by using term natural.

Then I ask you what natural means and you answer that natural is what Islam says is natural. Now you have defined natural by using term Islam.

See what I did there?

Seems that you have an answer to every question, it's a shame your answers don't make any sense.

Religion was necessity for ancient man, to give him the reason to carry on with his life and provide him with some so called answers (which he made up by himself). Now we have science, which is much better at providing answers than religion. Therefore, religion is not needed anymore.

I'm not sure why I wrote this because I know that every religious person will tell me that I speak like this because I'm possessed by devil and that I don't love God...

[Henry_Broodsonson]

The word is, futility.

[Overdriven]

I'm not sure why I wrote this because I know that every religious person will tell me that I speak like this because I'm possessed by devil and that I don't love God...

Alas I will not because up until about 2 years ago I very much shared your view. It's partly why I still question so much rather just blindly follow something. I only picked up the Quran because I was curious but it appealed to the logical side of my brain where Christianity came across as utter bull for the most part (at least the stories). And I bring that questioning to every aspect of Islam.

[Vibe]

OBERYN check Alex Jones and what he do before u use the deadly word "Conspiracy" and callin me/us Fools.

Obvisously Western Goverments akay UNO akay USA akay BANKSrupt the WORLD playin their Game with what they got.The arabic world got deep cultural Problems no doubt.

BUT:
In german Interwebz it is stated that Israel dropped a Uran Bomb or Nuclear Bomb in Damaskus at Civil Exploratory.I got no Problems with Jews but Zionists!!!

Recently i saw a Interview of an Ex ALJAZEERA Journalist of a well respected Magazin in Germany.He stated that AL Jazeera was introduced by BBC and how it turned too a PROPAGANDA MACHINE like WESTERN MEDIA.Hes a Syrian living in Germany for 23 Years now btw.
Terrorist is as dumb of a Discripton just like ConspiracyTheorie too kill any Context one could give who owns a critical Position too the common Opinion of the Mass.

As I LIVE IN GERMANY and know very well that my "Country" is the 2nd biggest Weapon Producer and Supplier in the HOLE WORLD ,i know that most so called Terrorists are supplyd by my "Goverment" which is in Fact still in WorldWarII and actually goverend by the National Socialists ,which also infiltrated various other Nations like USA and The Establishment(UK)
This National Socialists werent and isnt wanted by the Germans but by the Industrial Billionairs of Germany,EU,UK or USA.This Industrys are controlled by the Banks because in Fact all of The Major Industries owned by them(I forget the number but i believe it was ca.5000)and they are theirself owned by a very small Group of Humans.(In Fact 13 Family Trees I believe)
I guess u know exactly in which way our Moneysystem works.Its all about Debts.U just can make a Profit if someone else have a Debt in return.If u not understand this Sentence I highly suggest too educate urself about how exactly our Banksystem works!!!!.
Since the Western Banksystem is actually bankrupt since no phisycall Worth covers the Paper(Digital)money the Banks aint bet at Science,Economiclly Improvment or Food but in War! too cover their Banknotes.They do this for atleast 200 Years now and so they are the actual Source of the majority of Big Wars at our Planet because they are the Ones that profit of it.
Again check ur Facts!!!!
As i stated Germany is 2nd biggest Producer and Supplyer of Weapons in the HOLE WORLD.For exampel Germany GmBH(Company) just delivered 5 Submarine Boats ,which are capabel too launch Nuclear Rockets ,too Isreal.
1st Weapon Producer and Supplyer of Weapons in the HOLE WORLD are the USA which actually deliver and plan too deliver Weapons too Syria "Opportunitists".
By the Way check Goldman Sachs which literally owns most of HumanASSES at the Paper.If u did that u can come back and tell me once again that Alex Jones, HURRICANE and me are Fools.
As u said u got ur Informations of the Internet i assume u very well educated about Mass Medias ,one Part of the Western WARMACHINE.

greetz OD

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