Upkeep Test for chad with evidence, mathematic : that is not an opinion !

[[ptx]]

I am easily upkeeping equipment with a value of 22k gold, even making more slowly. Buff upkeep!

[Vicious666]

Vicious, you obviously missed the update to 0.201.

Get it, do the math, that fix was done just because of the reason many people disliked the 0.200 version.

(if you don't want to do the math, play for some hours, then report the result)

chadz i am playng only  for the statistics with my 9k worth of equip and still now at round 26,     losing gold instead making.

but more important is frustrating losing gold even when you win and do 10:1       

[Vicious666]

I am easily upkeeping equipment with a value of 22k gold, even making more slowly. Buff upkeep!

that the limit possible.     fact is you are a good player you do first rounds good.

means dunno 7 kill 10  ? 1 death ?

when balance it will transfer all good player on other team     

(autobalance is  rotten as hell tbh )

that means majority of good player than will be stuck at one side,     thats why you upkeep 22k worth of stuff,        cause  bad autobalance.


but for other 70% of player.     is not possible.         

thats why  i not make kills       i only spawn whit equip AND DIE.     if i kill i end on winning side all time.         and   statistic is fucked,      you cant base upkeep     statistic  together with autobalance,  becouse autobalance fuck all.                         i am doing worst scenario     where all is random  i die 0:1 i  sometimes get win team sometime lose team.

that not applicable for good player who do many kills and 75% get on winning team due to autobalance





since this method exited i see majority of games,       go  5:0       4:1       etc 

[Beans]

thats the point,         is all what crpg reduced  ?  get lucky on         random team balance?               



no skill
no lev difference
no equip






as i say i gonna repost this with 100 or 200     rounds.         for define      what is max you can upkeep and still gaining gold.               at average.     but already  evaluating all rounds at 3x,        you cant upkeep more than a 20k worth of equip.       and hardly you will get a 15x  win strik  of rounds all at 3x

This is the worst formatted post I have ever seen posted on a forum. If you are trying to breakdown complicated mathematical systems you need to make it at least readable.

[[ptx]]

I am doing that on my as of yet not exactly high level archer. I am not doing well, in fact i am losing most rounds. Yet i make gold. I even made gold, when there was still 20% upkeep.

[Ishar]

I have a feeling there are several words missing in Vicious' every post. I tried filling the gaps, but failed.

[Ganon]

Can we see the math behind these upkeep settings ? A guy did the math earlier and it turned out it was wrong, i'd like to see it and check if there's the same mistake.

[Vicious666]

I have a feeling there are several words missing in Vicious' every post. I tried filling the gaps, but failed.

in have feeling that instead concentrate on a    fucking rotten autobalance+upkeep system you prefer troll my english.



archers  means nothing for upkeep you wear shit and majority of your gold is on the bow,     who is only 1 item.          so less chance to pay upkeep than sword+shield
your upkeep in  arrow is also low.
consider a poor  shield+weapon user with 2x  THROWING  you now he pay     upkeep for 4x items?        and throwing cost a fuckload of gold?     
cmon dont make me fight the  wind mill,          even a monkey can do calc for see that      unless you get some kill on first round and get autobalance stuck with many others good,   you cant upkeep      more than 15k of stuff   , if you a bad player?       and have 0,5 kd?  not more than 10k

[Kiriath]

Since talk is useless, whine is useless, cry is useless.
since i was a scripter for ultima online for 5 year, and balanced a lot of pvp for many  servers.
here are  EVIDENCE, MATHEMATICS, not questionable, not  passible by interpretation     or opinions.


TEST ON 15 ROUNDS:


when i have time i will post a  test based on 100 rounds, since win or lose, or get on the winning side is lucky,    and more high are the numbers more precise is the statistic.

but even considering a high round average lest say 3x, so 150g  for average round of 4 min,            is 600g x 15 =   9k gold,     (and we are talking about 15x round at  3x     so 150gx )      where even the upkeep for  a 9k worth of equip is 6k,  so only 3k gain,           that means if you go at  15k worth of equip,       even at  sooooooo generous winning strike of 15x  rounds     at 3x,      you lose money.

EQUIPMENT :  total cost    9145


scimitar (simple one)           cost : 3380
sarranid padded vest          cost : 975
leather gloves                    cost : 202
rabati (a helm )                 cost : 1219
norman shield                   cost : 3226
khergit leather boots         cost : 143



ROUNDS X 15 MONEY GAINED :

ROUND 1 :    50G X 5 MIN = 250 G
ROUND 2 :    50G  X 4 MIN = 200 G
ROUND 3 :  100G X 5MIN = 500 G
ROUND 4 :  50G  X 4 MIN = 200 G
ROUND 5 : 50G X 4 MIN = 200 G
ROUND 6 : 50G X 6 MIN = 300 G
ROUND 7 : 100 G X 5 MIN = 500 G
ROUND  8 : 150G X 4 MIN = 600 G
ROUND 9 : 50 G X 6 MIN = 300 G
ROUND 10 : 100G X 4 MIN = 400 G
ROUND 11 : 50G X 4 MIN = 200 G
ROUND 12 : 50G X 5 MIN = 250 G
ROUND 13 : 100G X 4 MIN = 400 G
ROUND 14 150G X 3 MIN = 450G
ROUND 15  200G X 5 MIN = 1000 G


TOTAL  G EARNED IN 15 ROUNDS :  5750  G

TOTAL  G LOOSED IN 15 ROUNDS  5933

SCIMITAR                 repair cost  676     X4
NORMAN SHIELD       repair cost 645    X3
SARRANID PADDED  VEST  repair cost 195   X3
LEATHER BOOTS      repair cost  28         X2
LEATHER GLOVES    repair cost  57         X4
RABATI      (HELM )  repair cost  24  x 2










this is proofed         and tested


cant even upkeep  a 9k equip lol

with average lucky on  team winning.











another things to balance that is not an opinion but is mathematic.

upkeep between   1h and 2h   are not even.

2 hander top sword (rarely used,   cost 15450,  but most used are cookies and  tear 11,6 and 12k,   i now name are changed ... )
1 hander top sword  (most used    cost 8/9k ,  long espada eslavona.    side sword     )         point is   1h not cost  50% of 2h,       but almost  85% of the cost of a 2h,  if you add to this the  shield,       most common =     huscarl    is another 6k,           upping the cost for the average   1h+shield to   15k+.

if you wanna use top       vs top equip,

is  15450  flamberge  vs          8922 (side sword) + 10422  (steel shield)         19344            THAT SEAMS EVEN,     (that is not for sure since 90% of 2hnaders use 11k-12k sword so difference is   7K+,           if you consider that  more items means more % to pay upkeep.   is again uneven     )





the new formula,    add more % to have a broken item even at winning side, that  make shielders         upkeep more than 2handers. withouth consider that  changing from 3 to 4%     is a 33% increase,          upkeep from 20  to 5  is a -75%   but with       upkeep every round is a +100%        so  upkeep now is the same of previous at 66%   

Im not gonna bother pointing out all the fail in ur post, ill just state the obvious instead;

Your a fucking idiot.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

in have feeling that instead concentrate on a    fucking rotten autobalance+upkeep system you prefer troll my english.

your english is not the main problem, its the strange paragraphs and gaps u make are most confusing.

[DrKronic]

So wait your doing a worst case test, but see the problem is players that purposely lose help their team lose and therefore you skew the result towards the answer u wanted

I.E that you can't upkeep alot if u lose all the time

But you're missing the point

Play to win for a week and analyze those results

[Vicious666]

Vicious, you obviously missed the update to 0.201.

Get it, do the math, that fix was done just because of the reason many people disliked the 0.200 version.

(if you don't want to do the math, play for some hours, then report the result)

i am doing this on 2.01.


and from 3 to  4% is a 33% increase
upkeep 5%  from 20% is a -75%
but with +100%   since happens all rounds

so overall upkeep is 66% of old one.     with difference that now happens much more often,        previously on winning you where payng nothiung even for 5 rounds,  now you pay even if winning 66% of old one,          so upkeep is increased not decreased.                sure when you pay you pay less, but yoy pay much more often.            previously you payed only for losing now always.     

so if yesterday you made dunno 10 rounds, and win 7 and lose 3.         you got check for payment  only in 3 rounds, lets say 10k x round = 30k
now,    sure you pay 6,6k    but you do that in all 10 rounds win or losing. so 66k      and the % to pay is even more.      (the % not augmented only by 33% it augmented of 33% x number of rounds )

so overall upkeep is higher.

was decreased for real if system remained the same,  you lose? you pay

[Vicious666]

So wait your doing a worst case test, but see the problem is players that purposely lose help their team lose and therefore you skew the result towards the answer u wanted

I.E that you can't upkeep alot if u lose all the time

But you're missing the point

Play to win for a week and analyze those results

you not get     win or lose not  matters anything with this system, since you get upkeep check anyway.          is merely a question of  not killing much first round

worst case =  you die first round and autobalance keep you on loosing time while all good player who made a nice killing streak, are team stucked on the other.     
worst case in this sence becouse even if you on 2nd round do 10:1        you keep remain on losing side
point here is that  wrong autobalance+  upkeep  = total fail on upkeep for someone who not kill much   


imho we need a balance every round, yes you  heard me, every round so  we have better division of good players.   or minimum once every 2 round  or at round 1 3 and 5

[Sauce]

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[Helrekkr]

i am doing this on 2.01.


and from 3 to  4% is a 33% increase
upkeep 5%  from 20% is a -75%
but with +100%   since happens all rounds

so overall upkeep is 66% of old one.     with difference that now happens much more often,        previously on winning you where payng nothiung even for 5 rounds,  now you pay even if winning 66% of old one,          so upkeep is increased not decreased.                sure when you pay you pay less, but yoy pay much more often.            previously you payed only for losing now always.     

so if yesterday you made dunno 10 rounds, and win 7 and lose 3.         you got check for payment  only in 3 rounds, lets say 10k x round = 30k
now,    sure you pay 6,6k    but you do that in all 10 rounds win or losing. so 66k      and the % to pay is even more.      (the % not augmented only by 33% it augmented of 33% x number of rounds )

so overall upkeep is higher.

was decreased for real if system remained the same,  you lose? you pay

Maths ? really ?