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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2013, 03:22:54 pm »
+3
lower amount of ranged and voila there will be less Shields on eu1.
I don't know how is anyone able to play without shield on eu1. It is insane. Pew pew everywhere.

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2013, 03:57:47 pm »
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2013, 04:15:52 pm »
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Cuz you're a dumbass complaining about "realism" of the speed of one mechanical aspect in a game where horses handle like ducati racing motorcycles, and 2 meter long swords and poleaxes can do full damage hits hitting people with handle/hilt of weapon.

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2013, 04:19:09 pm »
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sword and board, two handers, and poles are pretty balanced IMO.
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2013, 04:21:07 pm »
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Dude, are you fucking retarded?

Yes, he is  :P

down voting my post about shielders, what to say ...childish.

And you caring about minuses aren't childish at all. Right...  :P
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2013, 04:34:16 pm »
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Translation:"OMG 1h is acctually somewhat competitive against 2h and glaive spamming. IT IZ OP Y U NERF NOWAAAAAA!!!!!!"
Morons -.-.........
And what a big suprise that a dedicated 2hspammer like Sagar starts QQing about other classes being OP.

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2013, 04:42:13 pm »
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Shielders don't have any penalties. They moving fast arm with shield, like they wearing watch on they hand (and lots of shields weight is from 7 to 12,5 kg !!!). Rising and lowering shield to make a strike need to be much solver. Also when they holding a shield and like 5 players hitting on shield - they shod start receiving damage. OP backpedaling class with no penalties.

Aside from reduced attack range, reduced attack damage, (str shielders) the fact that an opponent can dance around the side of your shield while your slow ass can barely keep up, (agi shielders) the fact that one mistake means getting one-shotted, the weird way if you have your shield up and your opponent pushes against you, they somehow pop out behind you and hiltslash for max damage, the fact that for the most part, the left swing is predictably easy to block and the others are all massively telegraphed, swings from a side angle that visibly go through the shield aren't blocked and do full damage and oh yea, if you drop the shield block for even a split second to try a "block feint" you won't get it back up in time while other classes can have their weapon stuck in the ground after a missed overhead and still get the block back up so fast the weapon warps into place  :P

So yea no penalties at all  :rolleyes:

TLDR - Shielders have weaknesses, don't be mad that you can't beat them, learn these weaknesses and use them.

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2013, 04:56:00 pm »
+1
Shielders don't have any penalties. They moving fast arm with shield, like they wearing watch on they hand (and lots of shields weight is from 7 to 12,5 kg !!!). Rising and lowering shield to make a strike need to be much solver. Also when they holding a shield and like 5 players hitting on shield - they shod start receiving damage. OP backpedaling class with no penalties.
Bro do you even school?
Dude first of all you think that shields are light, have you ever played shielder. Try equipping two shields it's like putting sheets of ice on the bottom of your shoes and then trying to run around. I don't even know what you said in the third sentence but in the fourth you claim that "they shod start receiving damage" but did you ever think about out maneuvering them?
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2013, 05:13:16 pm »
+2
Translation:"OMG 1h is acctually somewhat competitive against 2h and glaive spamming. IT IZ OP Y U NERF NOWAAAAAA!!!!!!"
Morons -.-.........
And what a big suprise that a dedicated 2hspammer like Sagar starts QQing about other classes being OP.
I remember fighting against GTX or some other 2h prick and two other guys. After I hit him like 3 times (which took him perhaps 30% hp...) the guy suddenly started backpedaling out of my reach and moments later something like "oh you f'cking spam noob" appeared in the chat. It was funny because I was using the shashka which is/was one of the slowest 1h weapons...



 
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2013, 05:39:48 pm »
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sword and board, two handers, and poles are pretty balanced IMO.

This. Although I think a few polearms could use a buff perhaps.
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2013, 06:02:33 pm »
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You shouldn't really compare sword/board vs 2 hander vs polearm in terms of straight 1v1 fights to determine balance, which the item balance guys seem to do.

Shielders don't have to manually block 90% of the time
They have protection from ranged
They can block more than 1 direction at once
Get out of clusterfucks easier
Their attacks naturally hit the head due to range and animations
Left swing can often force players to miss an attack phase
Fast faints
WPF is a less important stat than naturally slower weapons (although the importance of WPF for any melee is questionable after 100 odd)

For all that they get a bit less damage (except for pierce/blunt attacks). The range is often shorter but even that is deceptively long

I felt the EU1 meta was already favouring shielders, and then they increase damage? I think this is another attempt to sidestep the issue of ranged, by rather than nerfing ranged they try to buff ranged counters, and all they can find to do is buff shielders rather than hit the issue square on. If ranged are also using 1 handers then I don't see how that buffs the counters more than ranged. Crossbows going to 2 slots helps a bit, it forces people to use 1 handers I guess.

Everyone seems to have got increased movement speed, archers even mention how they move faster than pre-patch. I don't know how it affects kiting if everyone moves faster. Acceleration speed is what matters with kiting, and that probably increased so not sure if archers were actually buffed, especially with more sidearm variety while still having 2 arrow stacks. I know EU1 is still a ranged fest anyway

Don't want to make a premature judgement though, this is just my initial impressions
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2013, 06:06:37 pm »
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Oh how many raging here, yea you can nerf every clas: nerf ranged, nerf cav, nerf polearm, nerf 2h  ... but don't touch 1h and shield - It's a hornets' nest.

Nice vocabulary here: retarded and so ...

Yea I play every class in this mod. I have 4 generations as 1h shielder - easiest OP experience, so I chose 2h to play something more challenging - pure knight. There is nothing else just armor, my sword and my skill.

You guys seems don't understand me. I don't have anything against any class. Lets everyone play whatever class he wants - that's is a beauty of this game/mod.

I just want to point out how shielders are OP. But I see this is just turning into a witch hunt, because it is obvious that lobby for shielders here is too big, and community immediately crucified you if you tries to say something against them.

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2013, 06:08:16 pm »
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No people lol at you for saying stuff like this "so I chose 2h to play something more challenging "

2h is not a hard class to play. its not a challenge really, most people score way higher points and kills playing 2h then they do as 1h
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2013, 06:09:43 pm »
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My 2h alt is currently my most played class, because i cba to put effort into this game right now. 2h takes like 0 effort.

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2013, 06:10:47 pm »
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