Possible solution to future whine

[Tomas_of_Miles]

I will look at this from a point of view of someone who has been playing pre-patches. I am gen 8.  Not a "famous hardcore veteran" but I saw what cRPG used to be like. I spent 6 of those gens heirlooming my sniper and the steel bolts. There have been changes throughout the development, affecting my builds, for example when the first patch came, I decided to try archery (derp). If you wiped the database, I would be saddened to see what I initially perceive to be hard work gone down the drain (the crossbow setup). However, the mod will go on, and there have been lots of improvements, like the new UI on the site, the extended (legal now?) voice commands. Weighing up some transient items against the fact you can still have persistent stats, and organise tactics, and customise your character, I would not mind losing my stuff so much. chadz this is your mod, not World of Warcraft, or contrarily, Native. So do with it what you will. I will still play, and a lot of other people will still play too.

[Blondin]

The problem is that the community have changed, trolling dev post were taken with a smile before, now ppl overreacted and ask for respect.

But they should respect you(and dev team ofc) for the work you do for free.

I laugh when ppl say they waste time for heirloom and shit, but you waste a lot of time coding the mod for this ppl that don't even thank you.

Yeah a wipe is needed, i will love peasant wars, but first do a wipe of this community...

[Liveon]

Advice for el perro del hortelano who howl: wipe, wipe, wipe and remove, remove, remove ...
Go play in the Native WB.
All wipe, all remove...

[Ganon]

My maior concern has never been with some advantage of my character, but about a few things being OP (like throwing). I guess resetting at every patch is the next into removing the rpg part from crpg. I don't know what difference it then has with native ?

[Keshian]

The big whiners for the patch (most vocal) don't represent the larger community.  These whiners (and far from all of them) seem to be the people approving this idea of a full database wipe (which you promised never to do again).  DOn't give in to them.  I actually like the changes, obviosuly some few bug tweaks needed, but a full database wipe at this point would just end up being obnoxious.

[Ming]

I have thought a long time about what caused this amount of whine. The answer is actually quite easy:

People are not looking for balance, they are looking for advantage. If an advantage is taken from them, no matter if justified or not, they whine. Pretty understandable, actually.

So, using the principle of "don't hate the players, hate the game", it's up to me to propose a solution to this problem. The only fair way (and most efficient one, too!) is to wipe the database every time new weapon stats are released. This will ensure that no one is at a disadvantage, because everyone can find the new "OP" weapon, like everyone else.

Opinions?

Firstly, thank you for all your efforts. I think its not fair however to make every1 the same again because some of us have spent hundreds more hours playing this game than others, so i think they deserve a treat, at least something in return. I have heirloomed my glaive 3 times and now i am very disappointed because i really cant afford the upkeep.

solution1: let players repick their heirlooms again, eg: my MW glaive to 3 times heirloom of any weapon of my choice

solution2: Erase the datebase completly but keep some of the generation bonus


i prefer the solution1 myself, but its up to you to decide. i sincerely hope you can make a change, this new patch is disappointing quite a few of your loyal players.

[Tears of Destiny]

The big whiners for the patch (most vocal) don't represent the larger community.  These whiners (and far from all of them) seem to be the people approving this idea of a full database wipe (which you promised never to do again).  DOn't give in to them.  I actually like the changes, obviosuly some few bug tweaks needed, but a full database wipe at this point would just end up being obnoxious.

<3

The whiners are indeed only a small part of the community.

[Bobthehero]

Nope, hate peasant wars with a passion, a heirloom restat would be better.

[Lako]

Wipe for the wipe god!

[Gurnisson]

eg: my MW glaive to 3 times heirloom of any weapon of my choice

Standard. When the weapons ain't op anymore, people want to grab the next one. Never fails.

[Tydeus]

The big whiners for the patch (most vocal) don't represent the larger community.  These whiners (and far from all of them) seem to be the people approving this idea of a full database wipe (which you promised never to do again).  DOn't give in to them.  I actually like the changes, obviosuly some few bug tweaks needed, but a full database wipe at this point would just end up being obnoxious.

This. God this.

[Konstrush]

Wipe for the wipe god!

amen!

[Dragonette]

I think everyone wants balance, ultimately, and the desire for an unfair advantage is not the motive behind 99% of these "whine" posts.

The #1 issue is that people get used to the game design in terms of leveling, builds, gens, retiring, heirlooming and everything else, and then they spend countless hours developing their characters according to that design, only to have everything they've worked for pulled out from under them in one giant nuclear bomb of a patch. 

A scalpel should have been applied carefully and gradually to tweak the game over time but instead it feels as if a freaking War Axe just cleaved CRPG right between the eyes.

I am only Gen 3 and I feel like I have wasted a lot of time heirlooming my OP sidesword to Balanced, which got absolutely mauled this patch.  I can't imagine what it feels like to have multiple heirloomed items nerfed into oblivion.

It's hard to have the desire to play the game when you know it could all be for nothing in the end. 

I came from Native to CRPG as a 1h/shielder and the first thing I noticed was that archers, while still deadly, were not blotting out the sun as they did on the GK server.  Throwers were annoying but I could cope.  Calvary was annoying but I could cope with that.  I hated crushthrough/knockdown weapons but I learned to go on the offense immediately and to dodge a lot, sometimes giving me the win against a barmace user or anything similar. 

Overall it seemed pretty balanced.

[Bobthehero]

The big whiners for the patch (most vocal) don't represent the larger community.  These whiners (and far from all of them) seem to be the people approving this idea of a full database wipe (which you promised never to do again).  DOn't give in to them.  I actually like the changes, obviosuly some few bug tweaks needed, but a full database wipe at this point would just end up being obnoxious.

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I only wish you'd bring back the long espada as it seems its the only item that strangely disapeared...

[Furax]

Thank all things everywhere that cav lancing was fixed again:) Was some pretty pitiful looking lancing there awhile. Where onehanded cav dominated lancer cav, which just makes no sense=P