My suggestion: Fire the balance team, get a new one.

[Butan]

Nostalgic thread leads nowhere 


Everyone has very good ideas on what to do, to try to come closer to what we feel was "better" in the past, but in one year, you will see a new topic about how it was so cool back then (now).

I think cRPG is great as it is. It can be greater, so is everything in this world. Can't please everyone... You can try to find a better medieval fighting game, I dare you !

[cmp]

Current balance is heavily biased to agi builds

Stopped reading there (and started laughing).

[Tydeus]

Have people forgotten about this poll? http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/crpg-ingame-feature-what-is-it-you-want/645/

Particularly the "adding more depth to combat (new mechanics, stamina...) 576 (21.5%)" part.

[karasu]

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[Digglez]

Only citiation you need for reason to drop balance team is the rondel dagger

Ya a letter opener should do as much/more damage than a 3m pike, 2kg military pick or English bill.

talk about fucking dumb

[Adalwulf]

Since everyone is voicing their opinions. I believe the ranged needs have been ridiculous. You guys have limited archery to  2 builds strength or agility. I mean on my archer now I don't even use athletics anymore....its fucking useless. Why waste points when even with 8 athletics a Shielder in heavy armor can catch me anyway. Instead of this weighted quivers bullshit, why not just lower ranged damage on the bows or arrows. I'd have rather have had lower damage output but keep my speed. I play mostly on EU since the NA community is constantly ignored. Fighting in melee with 110 ping isn't very fun especially with an archer with 1 wpf. Dafuq. As Artie has said NA players have quit in mass and its because they are constantly ignored and get the changes EU gets after close to a month. Its aggravating.

[Kafein]

Since everyone is voicing their opinions. I believe the ranged needs have been ridiculous. You guys have limited archery to  2 builds strength or agility. I mean on my archer now I don't even use athletics anymore....its fucking useless. Why waste points when even with 8 athletics a Shielder in heavy armor can catch me anyway. Instead of this weighted quivers bullshit, why not just lower ranged damage on the bows or arrows. I'd have rather have had lower damage output but keep my speed. I play mostly on EU since the NA community is constantly ignored. Fighting in melee with 110 ping isn't very fun especially with an archer with 1 wpf. Dafuq. As Artie has said NA players have quit in mass and its because they are constantly ignored and get the changes EU gets after close to a month. Its aggravating.

I don't really trust anything artie said.

[Siiem]

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[oohillac]

NA is having issues with the current metagame.  Right now,

• Archery is almost nonexistent, perhaps two or three per 45-man team.
• Lancers are running amok due to the lack of consistent ranged threat.
• Infantry polearms are pretty rare on NA.  Even one longspearman per team is a sight to see.
• Throwers are popping up more, but still cannot fill the reliable anti-cav role that archery can play.
• Horse crossbowmen are majorly messing up team balance.  Two or three decent ones can pick apart powerful infantry players, and almost always clutch rounds.  This, again, relates to the NA archer scarcity.

Two-handers are still the primary class, despite these imbalances.  NA archery is not the same as EU archery, and so any nerfs to combat the bloat of EU archers serve to cripple NA's unyielding 2H/lancer playerbase further.

Lancers and HX are able to go all-out because nobody has the setup to rear the horses or shoot them down with any accuracy.

Firing the current balance team is no good, but adding a few NA to it would go a long way to seeing our issues resolved.

[[ptx]]

NA is having issues with the current metagame.  Right now,

• Archery is almost nonexistent, perhaps two or three per 45-man team.
• Lancers are running amok due to the lack of consistent ranged threat.
• Infantry polearms are pretty rare on NA.  Even one longspearman per team is a sight to see.
• Throwers are popping up more, but still cannot fill the reliable anti-cav role that archery can play.
• Horse crossbowmen are majorly messing up team balance.  Two or three decent ones can pick apart powerful infantry players, and almost always clutch rounds.  This, again, relates to the NA archer scarcity.

Two-handers are still the primary class, despite these imbalances.  NA archery is not the same as EU archery, and so any nerfs to combat the bloat of EU archers serve to cripple NA's unyielding 2H/lancer playerbase further.

Lancers and HX are able to go all-out because nobody has the setup to rear the horses or shoot them down with any accuracy.

Firing the current balance team is no good, but adding a few NA to it would go a long way to seeing our issues resolved.

EU1:

• Archers are running amok
• Cav is running amok
• Infantry polearms are everywhere
• Throwers...hngggghhh! Even if they are not that common, nobody misses them
• Horse archers/crossbowmen are near nonexistent.

Tell me, how do you imagine a common balancing for EU and NA to work well?

[Rumblood]

EU1:

• Archers are running amok
• Cav is running amok

Tell me, how do you imagine a common balancing for EU and NA to work well?

You need to slap your players around because these two together are like cats AND mice overrunning your house.

[oohillac]

Tell me, how do you imagine a common balancing for EU and NA to work well?

Perhaps with a bit more NA-side input to balancing, patches could take even longer benefit both communities a little more.

[LordRichrich]

REally, if you're being trampled by cav, take a spear... You don't need wpf to rear a horse.
Personally, I play a hybrid build, purely so I can be effective most of the time. I'm a polearm/1h user. So if there's a lot of cav, I can take a spear, lot of ranged, I take a shield, lot of heavily armoured 2h's? +3 German pole or a blunt 1h. I mean, if you expect to be able to play your class the way you want 100%, that's a rather unrealistic assumption.
Maybe EU is more adaptive than NA?

[Phew]

REally, if you're being trampled by cav, take a spear... You don't need wpf to rear a horse.
Personally, I play a hybrid build, purely so I can be effective most of the time. I'm a polearm/1h user. So if there's a lot of cav, I can take a spear, lot of ranged, I take a shield, lot of heavily armoured 2h's? +3 German pole or a blunt 1h. I mean, if you expect to be able to play your class the way you want 100%, that's a rather unrealistic assumption.
Maybe EU is more adaptive than NA?

These min/max 2h heroes want to be able to kill everything without compromise.

After your primary weapon, you probably still have 2 slots. A lot of ranged? Bring a shield. A lot of cav? Bring a spear/xbow. A lot of shielders? Bring an axe/morningstar/mallet. I really don't understand the problem. Then again, I don't play battle, so I don't understand the mindset there.

[Lactating Vegetables]

NA is having issues with the current metagame.  Right now,

• 1)Archery is almost nonexistent, perhaps two or three per 45-man team.
• 2)Lancers are running amok due to the lack of consistent ranged threat.
• 3)Infantry polearms are pretty rare on NA.  Even one longspearman per team is a sight to see.
• 4)Throwers are popping up more, but still cannot fill the reliable anti-cav role that archery can play.
• 5)Horse crossbowmen are majorly messing up team balance.  Two or three decent ones can pick apart powerful infantry players, and almost always clutch rounds.  This, again, relates to the NA archer scarcity.

Ok just hoped on NA1 and this is what i saw

1)There was a couple of archers, though not many
2)no lancers
3)saw a couple of polearms
4)No throwers
5)No HA/HX

So your statement seems quite incorrect