Ranged on a roof

[highglandeur]

Stop complaining about archers for gods sake.

or get a shield, nub!

[Macropus]

Yeah. Archers shouldn't go on roofs (also mountains, hills and other hardly reachable places), because they're OP there.
ALSO infantry and cav shouldn't stay on the ground because they're OP there.
Make them fight only on roofs while archers shoot them from the ground, that would save the mod for sure

[Azlanek]

That's not the point. The point is to add an extra layer of strategy and more options that would be available to everybody.

[Kelugarn]

Ok fine, I'll stop wizarding my way into inaccessible places.

[Overdriven]

If ladders were added back, within a week everyone would be calling for their removal.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Ponies should never ever have access to any roof. One of the most stupid things in the whole game.

People should not be 100% immune from one class just because they jumped up a fence and then up a roof, regardless were you're standing you should not be hard countering other playstyles, rock, paper, scissors is boring for a reason, hard counters=no real fun gameplay just "oh, guess what I picked beats what he picked.".

[Kafein]

That's not the point. The point is to add an extra layer of strategy and more options that would be available to everybody.

lol

2h playing their strengths = Skill
Archers playing their strengths = bundle of sticksry?

Now does that really make sense?
Stop complaining about archers for gods sake.

Nobody ever said being a good shot is bundle of sticksry. The only thing more or less equivalent to roofcamping for 2h is camping ladders with a maul on siege. With the notable difference that those 2h doing that are very far from invulnerable to 70% of the playerbase, unlike roofcampers.

Ponies should never ever have access to any roof. One of the most stupid things in the whole game.

Why aren't wooden buildings flammable and roofs covered in snow slippery ? Those are the realism problems. One out of ten maps can a horse actually reach a rooftop, and even in those cases, the horseman will never be actually useful there.

[Azlanek]

What do you find funny in my statement? Essentially rooftops would be accessible to any class or player. Creating imaginary horror scenarios of monstrous rooftop camper archers isn't going to help this conversation either way.

[Molly]

People should not be 100% immune from one class just because they jumped up a fence and then up a roof, regardless were you're standing you should not be hard countering other playstyles, rock, paper, scissors is boring for a reason, hard counters=no real fun gameplay just "oh, guess what I picked beats what he picked.".

It`s a freaking horse! 

Wanna go after the archer on the roof? Dismount.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

It`s a freaking horse! 

Wanna go after the archer on the roof? Dismount.

Let me know when I can throw a torch (from horseback) at the straw roof and burn him out, then I'll be fine with not being able to reach him.

[Kafein]

What do you find funny in my statement? Essentially rooftops would be accessible to any class or player. Creating imaginary horror scenarios of monstrous rooftop camper archers isn't going to help this conversation either way.

We do not need to create anything, those scenarios happened. All the time. The instant you saw a map, you could knew whether you would have to deal with 8 archers and crossbowmen peppering you from a supposedly-reachable-but-still-trying-it-is-like-dying rooftop.


Also I find your sentence most laughable because ladders are of no use to cav and inf. Unless those classes actually have to deal with roofcamping in the first place, providing their ladder doesn't get instantly destroyed by roofcampers and that it also enables people on the ground to reach the roof alive that is. Which can accurately be translated in "almost never". But why is it completely useless to cav and inf ? Because they can't damage the enemy maybe ? An invulnerability roof is not useful if you stand up there neutralized. And don't start with "I can ninja drop on enemies". Even though it's fun, it has dubious effectiveness.

[Overdriven]

What do you find funny in my statement? Essentially rooftops would be accessible to any class or player. Creating imaginary horror scenarios of monstrous rooftop camper archers isn't going to help this conversation either way.

Did you not play much before the ladder removal? Those aren't imaginary scenarios.

[Pejlaen]

People should not be 100% immune from one class just because they jumped up a fence and then up a roof, regardless were you're standing you should not be hard countering other playstyles, rock, paper, scissors is boring for a reason, hard counters=no real fun gameplay just "oh, guess what I picked beats what he picked.".

In that case they should also add a secondary mode for Greatswords: 'when pressing X you can wield it as a machinegun', so they can have a chance vs ranged I mean. They could also implement wings on ponies, so that people dont have to go through the discomfort of climbing those ladders.

[Azlanek]

We do not need to create anything, those scenarios happened. All the time. The instant you saw a map, you could knew whether you would have to deal with 8 archers and crossbowmen peppering you from a supposedly-reachable-but-still-trying-it-is-like-dying rooftop.


Also I find your sentence most laughable because ladders are of no use to cav and inf. Unless those classes actually have to deal with roofcamping in the first place, providing their ladder doesn't get instantly destroyed by roofcampers and that it also enables people on the ground to reach the roof alive that is. Which can accurately be translated in "almost never". But why is it completely useless to cav and inf ? Because they can't damage the enemy maybe ? An invulnerability roof is not useful if you stand up there neutralized. And don't start with "I can ninja drop on enemies". Even though it's fun, it has dubious effectiveness.

That you do then. I played cRPG for a few levels before these revamps, but most of the little I experienced back then has eluded my memory. What if one would simply remove the invincible wall preventing you from accessing rooftops by jumping, however? Then, access to coveted areas would become harder and require a greater degree of, firstly, agility... and then jumping. I would leave ladders out of battle for good measure, though.

[Lordark]

1/ allow ladders in battle servers , if anything just small or regular ladders. In siege its no problem since attackers should just ignore archers and get to the flag ne ways.

2/ Do not allow cav on ladders to get to roofs its just plain silly imo.