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Offline Teeth

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #135 on: December 17, 2012, 03:43:48 pm »
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Just because people have no direct connection with the victims doesn't mean they can't feel grief over the loss of life
I can't thats for sure and I am really glad I can't. You're life is going to be shit if you are going to let people dying on the other side of the planet bring down your day. Being all whiney whiney on the internet makes you look pretty stupid, especially if you take into account way worse things happen everyday as Cepeshi's is telling you.

E-mourning is stupid, I tell people not to.

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #136 on: December 17, 2012, 03:43:59 pm »
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I am more complaining that people care more about some random children massacred by some psycho instead of, dunno, kids starving in Africa (cliche, but still), addicted newborns and whatnot. There is so much shit happening i just could not care anymore.


We recently had a case of methanol alcohol in regular booze killing people or making them blind in the better case. Few guys from my hometown died from getting booze off shop i walked by every day. That made me sad, cause it happened close to me. But you dont see me e-mourning, that doesnt help anyone. If my kid got shot, the last thing i would want to see is everyone talking about it. Cynical? Maybe.

Congratulations, you are good at rationaliz1ng :lol:

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Also, I don't blame anyone for doing that, I do it all the time, cause I'm a cynical, heartless bastard. I just like to point out sometimes that it isn't really a good way of looking at things.

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #137 on: December 17, 2012, 03:46:47 pm »
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I am glad there are more people that dont go full emo over the interwebs  :mrgreen:

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #138 on: December 17, 2012, 04:00:43 pm »
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You guys can't read, at no pot have i been whinny, ive simply said others have the right to 'e-mourn' if they want, who thee fuck are you to tell them not too?

You've got to be a pretty heartless bastard to not be upset at the idea of a bunch of kids getting shot up.  I don't loose any sleep over it and it certainly doesn't affect my day to day life at all, but i still think that its a sad thing.

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I think i can do just fine without life coaching from you thanks

Sometimes its good have a bit of emotion in your lives, rather than becoming completely desensitised to the shit-hole of a world we live in.  Good things are done everyday out there, just apparently not by you guys.
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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #139 on: December 17, 2012, 04:08:48 pm »
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You guys can't read, at no pot have i been whinny, ive simply said others have the right to 'e-mourn' if they want, who thee fuck are you to tell them not too?

You've got to be a pretty heartless bastard to not be upset at the idea of a bunch of kids getting shot up.  I don't loose any sleep over it and it certainly doesn't affect my day to day life at all, but i still think that its a sad thing.

I think i can do just fine without life coaching from you thanks

Sometimes its good have a bit of emotion in your lives, rather than becoming completely desensitised to the shit-hole of a world we live in.  Good things are done everyday out there, just apparently not by you guys.

That may be a weird world view, but I believe most good things come from people that don't really overthink their morality/try to short circuit their intuition. You don't have to be sorry when you are not to blame. (also enough people on facebook are already doing it for you).

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #140 on: December 17, 2012, 04:10:08 pm »
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Hardcore gamers aren't exactly known to have much of a life and if they do they sure as hell won't show any compassion to everyone else.


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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #141 on: December 17, 2012, 04:21:20 pm »
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You guys can't read, at no pot have i been whinny, ive simply said others have the right to 'e-mourn' if they want, who thee fuck are you to tell them not too?
I have the right to think mourning on the internet because people they didn't know died and it is on tv is dumb. You have the right to e-mourn if you mourn about every random death that happens, otherwise you are just shallow.

You've got to be a pretty heartless bastard to not be upset at the idea of a bunch of kids getting shot up.  I don't loose any sleep over it and it certainly doesn't affect my day to day life at all, but i still think that its a sad thing.
Then you are not upset at all. Of course it is a horrible event, I agree, it just does not touch my emotions and thank the lord for that.

Sometimes its good have a bit of emotion in your lives, rather than becoming completely desensitised to the shit-hole of a world we live in.  Good things are done everyday out there, just apparently not by you guys.
Yes, cause if you do not shed a tear over people dying on the news then you do not have any morals. Cause telling the internet that you are sad is a tremendously good deed that helps people. Getting bogged down in all the bad shit happening in the world does not help anyone. I am glad that I am able to rationalize all that and worry about fixing bad things within my reach. Feeling bad about things you had no part in is not healthy.

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #142 on: December 17, 2012, 04:27:30 pm »
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Hardcore gamers aren't exactly known to have much of a life and if they do they sure as hell won't show any compassion to everyone else.


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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #143 on: December 17, 2012, 04:34:14 pm »
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Since when did you know the ins and outs of how human emotion works?

There's a difference between 'every random death' and children getting shot up.  Obviously there are many tragedies every day, but a massacre of children is something which should warrant some form of emotional response.

The whole thing doesn't have an effect on my day to day life, except maybe seeing it on the news or posting in this thread.  But its still and upsetting thing and I feel sorry for the families who have to suffer through that.  How can you say that I'm not upset, who the fuck are you to judge someone else's emotions?

Your rather missing the point i think. Having a wider moral conscious and the ability to feel emotions about things that don't directly affect us is a good thing, not bad.  You can be upset by stuff and think its wrong without it being in your immediate life, why else do people fund charities and relief agencies.
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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #144 on: December 17, 2012, 04:35:36 pm »
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Casimir, let Teeth keep doing what he does best. Being a massive douchebag.

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #145 on: December 17, 2012, 05:04:05 pm »
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There's a difference between 'every random death' and children getting shot up.  Obviously there are many tragedies every day, but a massacre of children is something which should warrant some form of emotional response.
Since when did you know the 'normal human' way to respond? You are taking your opinion as the norm at least as much as I am, so don't you go that way. Random children getting shot up, happens all the time, you hear nobody about that. But when it is on tv, we all need to shed a tear. That is my main problem with the drama about this.

How can you say that I'm not upset, who the fuck are you to judge someone else's emotions?
Upset pretty much means disturbing the general order of things, so using your description I judge that you are not upset. Might be a linguistic point here.

Your rather missing the point i think. Having a wider moral conscious and the ability to feel emotions about things that don't directly affect us is a good thing, not bad.  You can be upset by stuff and think its wrong without it being in your immediate life, why else do people fund charities and relief agencies.
Because they rationally decide that it is the right thing to do, atleast I'd wish. That is not the case though, because people let emotions lead their actions, they send their money to the charity with the sad picture, instead of the one who tries to fix a less media friendly but maybe more important problem.

Our major point of discussion is probably that you think emotions are positive and I think that rationality better to rely on in most cases. A simple fact is though, that being emotional does not make you a better person than someone who is more rational even if you say it very loudly. I would go further than that and say being emotional clouds judgement and is therefore something negative, but I am well aware that that is an endless point of discussion.

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #146 on: December 17, 2012, 05:21:48 pm »
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Then don't go around nay saying people who's rational is different to yours.  Having emotions and being emotionally driven are to different things, hats my point.  I might feel upset by something, it doesn't mean I'll act on it.  I'm as rational as the next guy, doesn't mean i shut out all emotion as you guys prescribe.  Welcome to the concept of having emotions and still being rational, it may confuse you cyborgs...

Also go and read any psychology paper on desensitisation, it'll show you that the average human responds emotionally to violence such as that.  These aren't just my opinions.
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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #147 on: December 17, 2012, 05:39:23 pm »
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Having emotions and being emotionally driven are to different things, hats my point. I might feel upset by something, it doesn't mean I'll act on it.
Gee, why didn't I get that.
Sometimes its good have a bit of emotion in your lives, rather than becoming completely desensitised to the shit-hole of a world we live in.  Good things are done everyday out there, just apparently not by you guys.
Your rather missing the point i think. Having a wider moral conscious and the ability to feel emotions about things that don't directly affect us is a good thing, not bad.  You can be upset by stuff and think its wrong without it being in your immediate life, why else do people fund charities and relief agencies.

Also go and read any psychology paper on desensitisation, it'll show you that the average human responds emotionally to violence such as that.  These aren't just my opinions.
I'm pretty sure the average human being responds more heavily emotionally if violence is accompanied with a picture of dead kittens, then if it comes to 80 year old males, the average human being is not that great.

That is my last nitpicking on points for today. If emotions about things you can not do anything about worry you, they are negative and serve no purpose, even if the average human being does it. If you disagree on that we're at a complete impasse.

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #148 on: December 17, 2012, 06:01:55 pm »
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I think we were at impasse the minute we started posting.
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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #149 on: December 17, 2012, 07:55:55 pm »
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As usual the media irritated me with it's incessant coverage of the person who murdered those people....rather than the people themselves.

Another good job glorifying the murderer. They have of course covered the victims somewhat, but only after pouring over every detail concerning the individual who committed the crime in the first place.

As for the pessimism evidenced here, well I have my own thoughts on that, but I dont think anyone would appreciate an essay of a post so I wont bore you or preach like I normally do.
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