Common sense

[Hobb]

catapults would be cool if they could break more then 1 ladder at a time.... good luck with that

[Sandersson Jankins]

catapults would be cool if they could break more then 1 ladder at a time.... good luck with that

I think the point of the whole catapult thing is to force the defenders away from their fortifications. Maybe I'm a jackass on that topic, though.

[Gingerpussy]

laying ladder to prevent beeing runed down from Cav is a legit and good tactic.

If you have a army and they are carrying ladders surely they would have tosed those on the field in some mather for protection ??

Now carrying to many ladders slow you down so much in cRPG so there is still some balance. The thing is that the second you or someone throw it over the flags then it is a exploit.

[_RXN_]

laying ladder to prevent beeing runed down from Cav is a legit

While it's not pointed somewhere in Rules, it's not legit, it's just your thoughts that it's legit.

[Segd]

While it's not pointed somewhere in Rules, it's not legit, it's just your thoughts that it's legit.

Jumping is not in the rules too. Ban jumpers!

"Everything which is not forbidden by the law is permitted" (c) some smart medieval guy

[_RXN_]

Read careful the topic title, it's not about smart medieval guys, it's about common sense. I can throw 200 ladders on the ground of battlefield so noone can move at all, and by your logic it's permitted and legit, don't make me laugh man. ;)

[Butan]

Read careful the topic title, it's not about smart medieval guys, it's about common sense. I can throw 200 ladders on the ground of battlefield so noone can move at all, and by your logic it's permitted and legit, don't make me laugh man. ;)

You make a point, but putting 200 ladders on the ground would require time and players, during which time the other team could rape you; to build a good ladder "fort" is like building a forward spawn or a siege tower, its less "realistic" but it doesnt give a so big advantage when you look at how much it cost per ladder and how much time/workload.

It looks stupid, but aint really forbidden.


Using it to bug flags is the only thing that looks stupid AND is stupid and is already forbidden so its cool

[Blackzilla]

Read careful the topic title, it's not about smart medieval guys, it's about common sense. I can throw 200 ladders on the ground of battlefield so noone can move at all, and by your logic it's permitted and legit, don't make me laugh man. ;)

There is a limit to the amount of ladders you can throw.

[BaleOhay]

defense can have a reliable ladder fort in place by the time attackers spawn and walk across the field. a Pretty solid one can be done in less than a minute with ten guys who spawn in with them.

[Tydeus]

Posting this for BADPLAYER since he is muted and overall, I agree with him on this subject.

People are overstating the effectiveness of ladders in strategus against cavalry, i'd say the only thing they really do is stop you couching people but now couches do less damage than stabs so it's not a big deal. I really think it is more of a skill problem than a game mechanics problem since I have no problem against people defending with ladders on the ground or without, no offense Hobb but your gameplay as cavalry is backstabbing people on a courser so i'm not surprised you do bad vs people defending on hills in open plains.

Try instead of just trying to lance people randomly in Strategus, charge in when your infantry does and then the enemy is distracted and doesn't expect you, then you can bump the entire enemy lines without getting stopped pretty frequently which is a huge boost for your team, I didn't see any cavalry on enemy team doing that in our battles which is a big reason why I think your cavalry all did shit. At the times when your team isn't charging relegate yourself to spawn defense and killing enemy cavalry (which is almost entirely what I did in Strategus 2 as cavalry when the spawn points were capturable even with players near and I thought it was fine). Considering in the field battles that have been against us we have capped the enemy spawn twice and come very close to it another 2 times, if the cavalry actually played spawn defense well those wouldn't of happened.

I'm not trying to make this post "i'm better at cav than you and thats why you're doing bad when i'm not" but hey like I said I do fine against people camping on hills with ladders, and so does every other cav whom I consider good.

[Jarlek]

NH tried to do that, they built a weapon rack and went for a forward spawn, but hero party left the comfortable ladder fort and destroyed it with minimal losses.

So Hero party left their ladder fort and then went and destroyed the forward spawn? With minimal losses? I'm sorry, but that just means Hero Party deserves to win.

Look. The main point by making the catapult/forward base was to draw the enemy out. It worked, but if you then lose the following fight and the enemy destroys your catapult/base, then it's just good tactics/playing by the defenders. Congratulate them on a well made counter-charge.

[Blackzilla]

Posting this for BADPLAYER since he is muted and overall, I agree with him on this subject.

BADPLAYER: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battleroster&id=1613
BADPLAYER: that was me against a ladder defense
BADPLAYER: 82-25 only "cav ruined"

So Hero party left their ladder fort and then went and destroyed the forward spawn? With minimal losses? I'm sorry, but that just means Hero Party deserves to win.

Look. The main point by making the catapult/forward base was to draw the enemy out. It worked, but if you then lose the following fight and the enemy destroys your catapult/base, then it's just good tactics/playing by the defenders. Congratulate them on a well made counter-charge.

Also we had a battle against them without a Ladder fort or construction sites and still dominated with that 2:1 KD. http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1620

[Tydeus]

Also we had a battle against them without a Ladder fort or construction sites and still dominated with that 2:1 KD. http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1620

Victory because of Commander Tydeus, obviously.

[Sandersson Jankins]

I can agree that Hero Party's victories have to do only very slightly with their usage of ladders. It's no secret that they have the best damn players around, and it seems their enemies aren't that concerned with hiring only skilled players. I shit my pants whenever I see Tydeus or Smoothrich in battle, and almost never emerge victorious against them.

Basically, LADDERS BE RUININ' MY IMMERSION, YO.

[Hobb]

Posting this for BADPLAYER since he is muted and overall, I agree with him on this subject.

i have personally done fine as attackers in the few hero party battles if that is what you are referring to. I had a score similar to anyone else, I just dont get the free couch kills that defense cav get. Most kills I would get came from enemy cav, and most my points from killing horses.

I think you make the mistake of thinking these 2 or 3 battles have formed my opinion on ladders, when you guys dont throw near as many ladders as some of the other factions do. (specifally on EU) Furthermore, the battles have been really fun, the cav v cav dogfights are always the best part of strat imo. It is from a balance stand point that I feel ladders spam is OP. I have been in battles for EU where the defense have thrown 30+ ladders on the ground near there spawn, taking up a large area with just ladders. You are right about the role of cav for defense however, yet it is very hard to fight unwilling cav when you have rounceys, and even harder to bump for your team when they dont command the battles. All of the NH Fcc attacks have been very poorly executted and underequipped so the results were going to be skewed no matter what. If you dont forward spawn its gg.

And idk where your coming from with my playstlye, I would think I have a pretty agressive playstyle and im certainly not afraid to charge a pike head on.... I havent seen you in battle in months so idk where you get your accusations from.