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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2012, 08:57:01 pm »
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Yea, this gets really frustrating very quickly. NA side just doesn't have the number of players to fill rosters like EU does, but we have the same player limits.

Instead of shrinking the roster size to fit the community size I'd hope that we can get over the "who mercs for who" mattering as much as it does now. The community isn't that big, and Strategus in particular is a niche game since it's more about politics and economics than battlefields... much like real warfare back in the day.

Yeah there's been quite a few battles that looked like they were going to be good this round but then one side was outnumbered 2:1 or more on the roster so gear or tickets didn't matter. 

It's possible the option to be an anonymous merc or increasing xp for strat battles might help but NA Strategus would just work a lot better in general this round if there were more people playing it.  It's like the siege server, unbalanced with a low population but really good when full.

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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2012, 10:04:33 pm »
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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2012, 10:40:13 pm »
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Yea, this gets really frustrating very quickly. NA side just doesn't have the number of players to fill rosters like EU does, but we have the same player limits.

Instead of shrinking the roster size to fit the community size I'd hope that we can get over the "who mercs for who" mattering as much as it does now. The community isn't that big, and Strategus in particular is a niche game since it's more about politics and economics than battlefields... much like real warfare back in the day.

i;ve always had way too many applicants for battles than slots allowed, except one time.  when hospitallers attacked hero party at 6 AM on a weekday.  we only had a dozen or so people, but of course hospitallers had a full roster.  why?  EU fallen.  get lost nerd
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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2012, 11:06:27 pm »
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i;ve always had way too many applicants for battles than slots allowed, except one time.  when hospitallers attacked hero party at 6 AM on a weekday.  we only had a dozen or so people, but of course hospitallers had a full roster.  why?  EU fallen.  get lost nerd

Indeed. It comes in handy being a good citizen, surely when there is peace but even when there are disagreements between factions. People grow up and realize that this isn't a big community, and reputations grow until they cannot be changed.

Also, good for you in regards to your rosters. Perhaps your time will come, and I sincerely hope that you need not resort to eating crow.

Edit/Add: Furthermore, isn't it unfortunate that anyone on the NA side should rely on players with 120+ pings to fight their battles just as much as you suffered from not doing so?
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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2012, 11:18:59 pm »
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Indeed. It comes in handy being a good citizen, surely when there is peace but even when there are disagreements between factions. People grow up and realize that this isn't a big community, and reputations grow until they cannot be changed.

Also, good for you in regards to your rosters. Perhaps your time will come, and I sincerely hope that you need not resort to eating crow.

Edit/Add: Furthermore, isn't it unfortunate that anyone on the NA side should rely on players with 120+ pings to fight their battles just as much as you suffered from not doing so?

i don't understand most of what you said at all
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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2012, 11:27:33 pm »
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i don't understand most of what you said at all

Just because we are badguys doesn't mean we are bad guys. 

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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2012, 11:34:12 pm »
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Hospitallers are wise enough to make friends, enough friends everywhere that regardless of the time or place or foe, they can usually find people to sign up for them, instead of blindly attacking people due to faction or even nationality. It helps to not be xenophobic. Sure a lot of people don't like them, but there are a lot of people who do so it balances out. *shrugs*


Us Fallen simply want to have fun, and even though we are technically at war with Hospitaller due to that defensive pact of theirs with KUTT, we will still sign up for them if we can spare the time and if it does not directly conflict with our interests (like them attacking us for example  :mrgreen: )  because it is a small community and simply because 'why the hell not?' Battles are pointless and boring if people draw too many lines in the sand and thus force half-full battle rosters, and those that choose to befriend some EU folks to fill in awkward time slots (and vice versa, for EU folks wanting to befriend NA folks for awkward time slots) will have a much easier time.
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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2012, 11:35:26 pm »
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Just because we are badguys doesn't mean we are bad guys.

so you want everyone to have reduced roster sizes for NA battles because you are the only faction in this group that can't fill out rosters, due to unpopularity?   i think that is more a diplomacy problem on your part then game balance.  just go back to EU if anything, or leave fallen completely if you want a new NA clan. 
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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2012, 11:38:48 pm »
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so you want everyone to have reduced roster sizes for NA battles because you are the only faction in this group that can't fill out rosters, due to unpopularity?   i think that is more a diplomacy problem on your part then game balance.  just go back to EU if anything, or leave fallen completely if you want a new NA clan.


Erm, no, that's not what he was saying.  :|


We've only on two occasions that I can think of had too low of a roster, and one of them was due to an awkward time slot for us, and the other was, amusingly enough, us forgetting we had a battle in the first place and signed people up too late  :lol:


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The main problem in NA is if a big-name faction attacks an independent/small faction, the small faction no-name suffers from major roster problems as few people bother signing up for them, at least in my eyes. The "headline" battles steal the show in NA and leave the smaller battles that don't make the front news sort of limp along.
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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2012, 11:46:01 pm »
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The first thing he said was that it was unfair that NA had the same size roster but not enough players to fill them and that merc diplomacy is a big deal or whatever.  I told him that the demand for battle slots almost always exceeds the cap allowed, unless its at an EU time, when Hospitallers and Fallen both gleefully signed up en masse at a godawful early morning hour in the middle of the week. 

Stunts like that are why people are so enthusiastic for signing up against Hospitallers or Fallen, and most people refuse to sign up for you!

Also if you are implying I am xenophobic, I fight for the UIF or Nords in every battle I can make.  All great clans, cool players, nice leaders, and fun battles.  In fact I enjoy the EU battles way  more than most NA ones, because everyone in NA sucks at the game and has peasant gear and unfun fights, compared to superior EU organization (and carebear economies).  I just don't like the Coalition's side too much  :)
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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2012, 12:44:50 am »
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The first thing he said was that it was unfair that NA had the same size roster but not enough players to fill them and that merc diplomacy is a big deal or whatever.  I told him that the demand for battle slots almost always exceeds the cap allowed, unless its at an EU time, when Hospitallers and Fallen both gleefully signed up en masse at a godawful early morning hour in the middle of the week. 

Stunts like that are why people are so enthusiastic for signing up against Hospitallers or Fallen, and most people refuse to sign up for you!

Also if you are implying I am xenophobic, I fight for the UIF or Nords in every battle I can make.  All great clans, cool players, nice leaders, and fun battles.  In fact I enjoy the EU battles way  more than most NA ones, because everyone in NA sucks at the game and has peasant gear and unfun fights, compared to superior EU organization (and carebear economies).  I just don't like the Coalition's side too much  :)

People don't hate us all that much.  Check out this thread.  According to the poll people hate your own clan, Semen Party(semenstorm + hero party), more than they hate us.    http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/what-clan-do-you-hate-mostly-na-(mericaaaa)/105/

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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2012, 12:53:37 am »
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People don't hate us all that much.  Check out this thread.  According to the poll people hate your own clan, Semen Party(semenstorm + hero party), more than they hate us.    http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/what-clan-do-you-hate-mostly-na-(mericaaaa)/105/

wait, wheren't we supposed to vote for ourselves?
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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2012, 01:45:48 am »
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wait, wheren't we supposed to vote for ourselves?


I thought so too, yet some smaller factions still had more votes then we did, psh psh psh


Regardless, just smoothbabe and his loose/affiliated social circle/s for the most part make up the bulk who dislike us, and that hardly concerns me considering that is not the majority. In a wargame, you can't please everyone, and if you did then things would become boring fast.
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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2012, 02:19:03 am »
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The first thing he said was that it was unfair that NA had the same size roster but not enough players to fill them and that merc diplomacy is a big deal or whatever.  I told him that the demand for battle slots almost always exceeds the cap allowed, unless its at an EU time, when Hospitallers and Fallen both gleefully signed up en masse at a godawful early morning hour in the middle of the week. 

Stunts like that are why people are so enthusiastic for signing up against Hospitallers or Fallen, and most people refuse to sign up for you!

Also if you are implying I am xenophobic, I fight for the UIF or Nords in every battle I can make.  All great clans, cool players, nice leaders, and fun battles.  In fact I enjoy the EU battles way  more than most NA ones, because everyone in NA sucks at the game and has peasant gear and unfun fights, compared to superior EU organization (and carebear economies).  I just don't like the Coalition's side too much  :)

For what it's worth, what applies to you doesn't apply to everyone. KUTT and Hospis have been struggling, as have smaller factions. We've been doing alright with it, as Tears mentioned.

Beating 20 guys with 50 just isn't as much fun, for either side. And unless you're a real shithead, this game is about having fun. If you are, it's about beating people who don't have a chance because of game mechanics largely beyond their control.

Most people refuse to sign up for Fallen because most people are at war with us.  :D  You can hate us for whatever reason you can contrive. We're outnumbered about [information withheld for security purposes] to one and have no set alliances. Because we're that committed to keeping binary alliances from happening on the NA side a la UIF/anti-UIF. The NA Fallens have been there for two years. What we have today is far, far better. I wish my EU buddies had our opportunity.

I know you'll never listen to me for whatever reason, but for God's sake, don't wish carebearism onto NA. Ever. The bitch of it is that it only takes one side to force the other's hand. Platemail armies aren't worth it.

None of us should ever wish for reducing the game to two sides. NA should never be a place of JUST good guys (us) and bad guys (them). We need to all be independent masters. If not, things will just boil down to wars of attrition, political gridlock will prevent anything interesting or surprising from happening, and less people can get involved in the game because the two "sides" mean that more players are invested in each battle but only a limited number can actually play in them.

Keep NA wild and free, and the UIF can keep their goddamn +3 Heavy Yawshans. So the Knights of Ni can steal all 200k of them again, hahahah.
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Re: Dear Knights Hospitaller,
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2012, 03:01:48 am »
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Keep NA wild and free, and the UIF can keep their goddamn +3 Heavy Yawshans. So the Knights of Ni can steal all 200k of them again, hahahah.

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