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Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« on: October 15, 2012, 07:55:53 am »
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Hi!
So, I just thought - when I'm listening to russian music, I decide whether I like it or not by how it sounds and what the meaning of this song is.
When I'm listening to english songs I often rely only on sounding, not on lyrics because I either don't understand it well enough or just don't even bother to read lyrics.
And you, as people who know english very well, are in opposite situation. So, what I'm asking is - listen to the following songs which I like a lot (some of them are russian and some of them are english), and write your opinion about them - whether you like lyrics and actual music or not (in case it's an english song) and whether you like the music without understanding lyrics or not (if it's a russian song). Please state the number of the song you're commenting.

Some english songs:

1) I have read the lyrics, I can understand the meaning of the whole sentenses, but can't get the meaning of the whole song. You can. Do you like it?

2)

3)

And some russian songs:

4)

5)

6)

Please feel free to write just whatever you think about these songs, I'd love to compare your impressions with mine. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2012, 08:59:46 am »
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Lyrics are for emos. Real music is what musicians do. Sadly, the more lyrics you have in a given song, the worse the music becomes because it doesn't get the attention it needs. Btw this is just a general statement to justify myself not actually answering.

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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2012, 10:41:09 am »
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the worse the music becomes because it doesn't get the attention it needs.
I don't really think that a good music becomes worse because of lack of attention O_o

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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2012, 10:48:23 am »
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                                                                                           Kino -Spokoynaya noch(1988)


Great song and Great lyrics!
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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2012, 10:55:44 am »
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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2012, 11:07:05 am »
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Lyrics are for emos. Real music is what musicians do. Sadly, the more lyrics you have in a given song, the worse the music becomes because it doesn't get the attention it needs. Btw this is just a general statement to justify myself not actually answering.


Read the lyrics as you listen in the description if you need to follow along.  One of the most prescient, powerful songs ever recorded, IMO.
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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2012, 03:17:34 pm »
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Lyrics for me are a bonus.


I'd say i categorize them in this order.


How they sound/how good the song itself sounds/ > Lyrics/Message > The voice of the singer (if there is a singer to begin with).


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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2012, 04:45:45 pm »
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I don't really think that a good music becomes worse because of lack of attention O_o

I meant lack of attention from the artist(s), not from the public although of course, a song with a dull instrumental will not be listened for that.


Read the lyrics as you listen in the description if you need to follow along.  One of the most prescient, powerful songs ever recorded, IMO.

Great lyrics, then again, the music is just a loop of a few guitar notes. It could not be there at all, the whole thing wouldn't lose much. Same can be said about the singing tune.


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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2012, 11:07:38 pm »
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It seems that I am similar to most of the people in this thread.  Music, for me, is usually about the sound/energy produced rather than the significance/meaning of any lyrics.  I can't help you with your question though; none of those tracks you posted are really my thing.
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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2012, 11:30:07 pm »
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My hearing is not great so usually I get lyrics completely wrong. Therefore as long as the music is good and the singers voice is decent then I am happy. Probably why I like Muse so much and why I also quite like foreign music as well.

There are certain artists which I do listen to for the lyrics as much as anything else though. But they tend to be more of the country genre where the singing isn't so clouded by music a lot of the time.

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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2012, 10:33:05 am »
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Great lyrics, then again, the music is just a loop of a few guitar notes. It could not be there at all, the whole thing wouldn't lose much. Same can be said about the singing tune.


Perhaps you should check out this song by one of the most influential 20th century American composers, John Cage.  It should be right up your alley.


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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2012, 07:39:54 pm »
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Perhaps you should check out this song by one of the most influential 20th century American composers, John Cage.  It should be right up your alley.


Let me know what you think!

Probably not the best interpretation, some epic coughing there. Although not recording this live may lose much of it's point.

Another contemporary John :)


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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2013, 03:16:10 pm »
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Claudio Arraus interpretation is the best of all the versions ive heard so far. imo :)

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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2013, 02:40:04 am »
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Starting in the 90's, the art of making your lyrics sound like they mean something, while actually being pure gibberish or disconnected sayings became the norm here in the States. Well maybe starting in the 80's.

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Re: Appeal to native english speakers (about music)
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2013, 04:23:59 am »
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Songwriters and composers tend to belong to two separate leagues of musicians, that said, they both strive for an effect.  If that effect is masterfully achieved then that is good music.  As far as lyrics are concerned, they're only meaningful if there's something in them pertaining to the musician or listener, making them mostly irrelevant to objective criticism.

An example of an incredibly successful song whose lyrics are only inwardly meaningful to a zeitgeist of art is "Space Oddity" by David Bowie.  The song's lyrics are inspired from Stanley Kubrick's 2001: Space Odyssey and imitated that film in mocking technological advances especially in space.  It was such a hit that the BBC used the song as a musical accompaniment to the moon landing.  Irony, eh?  If the lyrics weren't so obscure to them they might have chosen a different song, but since they were taken by the pop that David Bowie is extremely good at creating, they lampooned themselves.

The difficulty in deciphering the meaning of a foreign language in lyrical form is compounded by the fact even a native speaker might not understand what a musician is trying to convey!  That might explain why a hot chick with a nice body and smiling (or weeping) face will win over the hearts and not so much the (un)trained ears of the masses.  Yes, I'm referencing most pop stars.  Whenever someone enjoys music for it's musical integrity alone, they alter their cultural borders to become more inclusive of some people while alienating others.  I've found that the saddest thing about music is the audience's inability to forget their particular biases and just let their own imaginations work.  It's as if the only reason some people listen to music is because they want the music to put them into a particular mood or to sedate them.  Anyways, that's my stance on why I rarely even listen to a vocalist anymore...
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