落下幕府 [Falling Shogunate]

[Malaclypse]

I still find it interesting that Hospitallers can steal 1000 S&D and walk away freely

As I understand it we tried to catch him, but were too slow on the draw, and suspect that he had many ponies in tow therefore (or, alternatively, that we are just big fatties). If one of our members was in your lands taking S&D that you didn't authorize, I don't think anyone in our faction (save for said member) would be very upset if you attacked them, as it would be in your right to do so. If our man getting S&D from you guys was an allowed action on your part, then it by no means guarantees that we would be amenable to the same deal in our lands unless some formal agreement has been drawn up which I am unaware of. For my part, I think it pays to always ask, whether buying or selling, to let people know in advance.

In regards to mercenary support, our members have been on both sides of your fights; I myself have been there more often than I have been on the opposite because of my love for Bamboob Spurs (also because of your allowing my safe travel to and from the desert via your lands) and I haven't noticed many battles wherein The Josho Shogunate has been found lacking in players fielded compared to the opposite side.

On a personal note, I tend to apply for what I feel is the underdog side of a fight after feelings of duty are out of the picture.

[PhantomZero]

We have had more battles than anyone and have suffered heavy losses (not as much as LLJK, but war is war).

I would argue that losing heroes is a much greater loss than troops or equipment. Since the start of thewar, LLJK has seen a net gain of 10 members.

It would have been a much closer war if it had just been LLJK vs Shogunate and if Strat hadn't bugged out preventing me from counter-attacking Ayn Assuadi. But all in all it was great fun and a lot of junior and new LLJK members stepped up to learn the game (and take their beatings for messing up) and so we now have a much more experienced playerbase.

Of course, it is not over until the fat lady sings as they say.

[Syls]

As Hobb of TKoV said in a different post, and the shared words with Tristran of TKoV, the desert is more of a place for new factions to "survive" such things as war.

Hobb!? I'm the one who said that, I take great offense that you confuse me with this illiterate cav my old friend . On a more serious note, we're sorry that Bongloader just attacked you after we told  you we wouldn't. We already told him to retreat.

[Auphilia]

For the record, TKoV never broke our word with you, we told you we wouldn't help LLJK with troops or gold, we never said we wouldnt merc for them. We let our members choose who to merc for in this war. We didnt break our trade agreement because we were gonna attack you, we canceled it because there was never any S&D for us to use in your land, and you guys had just lost 1000 of our goods, so we were doing nothing but losing money trading with you guys. Most of the people mercing for LLJK would have signed up for you, if you would have just asked. Phantom goes to clans and asks nicely, so people sign up for him. Remnant came to us last night for their battle and we signed a few for them, we would have done the same for you if you had asked.

This isn't true. Before declaring any hostility against LLJK I spoke to you guys first, because I didn't want to fight them if you were going to aid them or wipe us for it. You guys told me that you wanted to remain neutral BUT if we became outnumbered or needed help, you guys would provide that. That being said, we lacked mercenaries the first few battles and LLJK had full rosters. I asked you guys to help us and none of you came. I understand the breaking of the trade agreement. I couldn't manage the S&D or stop traders from using it while I was at war and half of the shogunate was inactive. Regardless, from our perspective you guys only broke your word, broke trade, and we had rumors of you guys fielding an army against us. You also questioned whether or not the shogunate planned a conspiracy against you (where you got that from, I have no idea). On top of that you also thought one of our guys was trying to follow and attack one of your caravans (even though he was simply returning to our homeland). So from our perspective, I hope you can see why we felt that some malicious intent was brewing.

Regardless of all of this, we had no intentions of fighting or being hostile with you guys. That would be suicide. The only way anyone could believe we would fight a faction as strong as your alliance is if we were allied with your rivals (Hospitallers), which explains all of the foul rumors. Sounds like a huge misunderstanding though, but oh well.

[Winterly]

As I understand it we tried to catch him, but were too slow on the draw, and suspect that he had many ponies in tow therefore (or, alternatively, that we are just big fatties). If one of our members was in your lands taking S&D that you didn't authorize, I don't think anyone in our faction (save for said member) would be very upset if you attacked them, as it would be in your right to do so. If our man getting S&D from you guys was an allowed action on your part, then it by no means guarantees that we would be amenable to the same deal in our lands unless some formal agreement has been drawn up which I am unaware of. For my part, I think it pays to always ask, whether buying or selling, to let people know in advance.

This right here is entirely the case.  Several distinctions that must be made are that:

1. Your member did not contact the leader of the faction.
2. Your member was only given authorization to sell in one fief, afaik there was no mention of loitering in our lands.
3. The trade agreement we made, was specifically limited to a single trade of my goods (there were no mentions of trading within our lands).

[Rikthor]

That being said, we lacked mercenaries the first few battles and LLJK had full rosters. I asked you guys to help us and none of you came. I understand the breaking of the trade agreement.

Oh really, I guess this battle on 9/25/12 with full rosters and mercs on both sides never happened?

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Edit - By your logic FCC was actually an ally to us both!

[dynamike]

Tis' undoubtedly the truth - Photoshop will not be invented for another 400 years at least.

[Auphilia]

That was mostly last minute roster filling. And the majority of those mercs were people we share Teamspeak with. I'm not saying we didn't manage to fill the rosters. I was saying they were pretty much just chevaliers and the shogunate until more joined towards the last minutes, none of which were TKoV (who we did specifically ask for mercs).

[miggy]

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[Auphilia]

This right here is entirely the case.  Several distinctions that must be made are that:

1. Your member did not contact the leader of the faction.
2. Your member was only given authorization to sell in one fief, afaik there was no mention of loitering in our lands.
3. The trade agreement we made, was specifically limited to a single trade of my goods (there were no mentions of trading within our lands).

Yes, I knew we were in the wrong for that trade. I hadn't even realized it was taking place as I've been focusing on the war and all kinds of diplomacy. Regardless instead of attacking 200 troops and wiping out their equipment and sending the player across the map (possibly taking days/weeks to return) I just think the loss of less than 200 trade goods could have been brought up with me. I would have made sure to have it returned. Attacking that caravan warrants more loss to both factions than the goods were even worth, especially to ours. Anyways, what is done is done.

[Visconti]

This isn't true. Before declaring any hostility against LLJK I spoke to you guys first, because I didn't want to fight them if you were going to aid them or wipe us for it. You guys told me that you wanted to remain neutral BUT if we became outnumbered or needed help, you guys would provide that. That being said, we lacked mercenaries the first few battles and LLJK had full rosters. I asked you guys to help us and none of you came. I understand the breaking of the trade agreement. I couldn't manage the S&D or stop traders from using it while I was at war and half of the shogunate was inactive. Regardless, from our perspective you guys only broke your word, broke trade, and we had rumors of you guys fielding an army against us. You also questioned whether or not the shogunate planned a conspiracy against you (where you got that from, I have no idea). On top of that you also thought one of our guys was trying to follow and attack one of your caravans (even though he was simply returning to our homeland). So from our perspective, I hope you can see why we felt that some malicious intent was brewing.

Regardless of all of this, we had no intentions of fighting or being hostile with you guys. That would be suicide. The only way anyone could believe we would fight a faction as strong as your alliance is if we were allied with your rivals (Hospitallers), which explains all of the foul rumors. Sounds like a huge misunderstanding though, but oh well.

You came to us for mercs as all of our guys were already in the LLJK TS, they werent gonna withdraw from the battle during role call, would have screwed LLJK over. Also, i asked if you guys were planning a "conspiracy" because of all the rumors we had heard, that a hospi had come to your guys TS asking you guys to attack one of our caravans(which is why i asked about the guy who was apparently returning to one of your fiefs), and then i was told that chevaliers had got info about our troop movements from the shogunate, and at the time i had thought they were still a Hospi vassal. You guys had also told us that you guys werent gonna try to expand, just do a bunch of infighting RP, but the moment you got to your land you declared war on LLJK, after we had told you we wouldnt support it lol

[Ohayashi]

Needless to say, I am crestfallen if not disappointed with the Empress' departure. I myself am hardly more than a junior officer, knowing little of the incredibly complicated mechanisms of the current political sphere, but look forward to interacting with the Shogunate's neighbors in the future. And there will be a future. I find myself particularly struck by the frail existence and poor longevity of most clans and groups in video gaming in general. I come from a 7+ year old group from the Red Orchestra community, of which I've been a part for three.

It is without a doubt the sturdiest and most stable group I have been involved with in gaming. The bond between members alone is incredible. I am loyal to this unit - and it is just as faithful back.


Alas, such permanence seems hard-won in this quasi-diplomacy simulator (see: bitchfest) that is Strategus. (Conspiracies, intrigue, secret brokerages and silver tongues - Bah! A good Samurai understands such trash ought to be left to elderly gossiping women.)


Best of luck to friend and foe - may Hachiman favor your armies. And of course, farewell, Aupihilia-san.

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[LordBerenger]

Congratulations on your independence. I sincerely hope you guys enjoy the Strat freedom and actually have fun.

Freedom doesn't equal Chevaliers.

Chevaliers are part of the rebel alliance and traitors.



TAKE THEM AWAY!

[HardRice]

Freedom will never be an issue to the enemies of the Galactic Goon Empire.
Chevaliers are part of the rebel alliance and are traitors.



TAKE THEM AWAY!

Grammar, my young Swede, grammar.

On a related note, Kesh, you're the best warrior linguist i've seen to date, your words can crumble vast empires and foreign kingdoms just by their uttering.

[Matey]

That was mostly last minute roster filling. And the majority of those mercs were people we share Teamspeak with. I'm not saying we didn't manage to fill the rosters. I was saying they were pretty much just chevaliers and the shogunate until more joined towards the last minutes, none of which were TKoV (who we did specifically ask for mercs).

pff. I remember that fight, some people asked us to sign for you and some asked us to sign for LLJK. some people (redarrows) preferred to weeaboo it up, some preferred to fight for the goons, and others just applied to both sides and didnt care who hired them. But later after you started ragging on us on the forums it got a lot more lopsided in regards to where our guys signed up, and I dont think anyone was asking us to sign up for you anymore either. The trick to filling a roster in strat is to bug the shit out of everyone you can for EVERY fight that you need more mercs; it is a huge pain in the ass, but its the only way to get people to show up because unlike clan leaders, most players dont pay attention to the battle list, if you dont tell em you have a fight, they wont know.