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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #75 on: September 13, 2012, 12:55:55 am »
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Going toward 20 people who mean to hurt you doesn't seem like a good idea, does it?

Sticking to teammates bringing a bamboo spear or finding a good spot to camp are all valid tactics to kill cav.  One instance of cav rampaging is not really going to do anything.  The team balance does work, it puts people with very high scores on the team with less players AFAIK.
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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #76 on: September 13, 2012, 12:58:09 am »
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Btw, trying to regulate the amount of cav by buffing archers is a terrible idea. There's something worse than mass cav, and it's mass ranged.

Furthermore, archers should not be the one killing cav, rather the opposite actually. Currently in the game though, melee are much more appealing targets for cav, as they have many more reasons to be unaware than archers.


I think a change that wouldn't affect other classes but still make cavalry harder to play would be punishing collisions further than just an horse rear. The rearing animation already puts the rider in significant danger, but it really feels unrealistic, even more so when one horse blocks another.

All collisions should inflict damage to the horse depending on speed and additionally dismount the rider above a certain threshold. The same thing should happen with polearm horse rearing.

Horse-horse collisions should hurt both horses and have a much lower damage threshold to bring down both riders. This might need some tweaking as 1h cav requires the use of horse collisions to stop and hit other riders.

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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #77 on: September 13, 2012, 01:00:29 am »
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Can't get enough riding with their 36/3 builds :P
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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #78 on: September 13, 2012, 01:02:18 am »
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These ages come and go. Now it is the cav age, before there was xbow and archer age and before that there was two hander age. All classes have a time where a lot of people play them. Cav age will go away, trust me.

Also there is more crying about cav age because cav has a lot bigger presence than all other classes.
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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #79 on: September 13, 2012, 01:02:22 am »
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There's something worse than mass cav, and it's mass ranged.
+1 for that. Rest of the post I have no opinion on. I'm all for nerfing low skill cav and buffing/not touching high skill cav but not sure if that collision thingy would do that... Maybe.
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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #80 on: September 13, 2012, 01:03:14 am »
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Give Long voulge back, and i ll be nightmare for cavs!
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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #81 on: September 13, 2012, 01:06:23 am »
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If they nerf horse archery it's practicly dead.. I play HA without any looms and I must say it's damn hard, my damage output is close to zero, most of my kills come from 1h slashing.. Should HA really be a class one can only effectively play when you trade all your looms for the right stuff? It already is tbh and i hope it doesnt go any further.

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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #82 on: September 13, 2012, 01:11:15 am »
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If they nerf horse archery it's practicly dead.. I play HA without any looms and I must say it's damn hard, my damage output is close to zero, most of my kills come from 1h slashing..
Respec to xbow,run straight to inf and shoot them,if you hit them you will get free bump kill,if you miss there is also free bump dmg.
Repeat process untill there is no inf left,and profit. Also follow cav and shoot their horses,or wait for them and when they come close just moment to hit you, head shot them. And profit.
That is how moust of HA and Xbows play. They just wait for you to come close and shoot you in the head or run straight to you and shoot you.
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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #83 on: September 13, 2012, 01:24:03 am »
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That is how moust of HA and Xbows play. They just wait for you to come close and shoot you in the head or run straight to you and shoot you.

Not as easy as it sounds. Deffo the best way of scoring decent hits due to increased accuracy...but if you slip up it usually means you're dead and hacked off your horse. Most of my shots are made this way, but I slip up plenty of times and miss.

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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #84 on: September 13, 2012, 01:29:46 am »
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Well you can't complain,when 2h,pole,1h miss one block he can also die. This isn't easy also. :D
I need to make some stf build to try this.

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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #85 on: September 13, 2012, 01:34:48 am »
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I am a 1h/shield/HA btw, I dont have the accuracy of a dedicated one.. And Really the damage you do without loomed equip is a major setback if you think gathering points is easy, rising my rouncey i often die to loomed horses, almost everyone rides a loomed horse.. But i still dont think HA should be nerfed..

Hx on the otherhand are blitzkrieg hit and run machines that ought to be removed.
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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #86 on: September 13, 2012, 01:37:50 am »
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You are riding a wrong horse mate.
Desert or steppe horse or arabian warhorse is for you if you can afford it. Anything that have good manouver or ride destrier to ride longer.
It is realy your choice,but i would ride desert horse.

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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #87 on: September 13, 2012, 01:41:30 am »
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I am a 1h/shield/HA btw, I dont have the accuracy of a dedicated one.. And Really the damage you do without loomed equip is a major setback if you think gathering points is easy, rising my rouncey i often die to loomed horses, almost everyone rides a loomed horse.. But i still dont think HA should be nerfed..

Hx on the otherhand are blitzkrieg hit and run machines that ought to be removed.

Using a gimped (hybrided) HA build and saying that HA is fine is rediculous. It's kinda like making a level 15 cavalry and saying it's under-powered because it can't use the best horses. HA are much more dangerous than HX, although HX are more accurate, they don't shoot anywhere near the same speed. I have pure HA and HX alts, these are my experiences.

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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #88 on: September 13, 2012, 01:42:51 am »
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You are riding a wrong horse mate.
Desert or steppe horse or arabian warhorse is for you if you can afford it. Anything that have good manouver or ride destrier to ride longer.
It is realy your choice,but i would ride desert horse.
i would ride my desert horse but trust me, foot archers will have it down in 2 arrows - 3 arrows max, same with steppe and arabian's upkeep is too igh for my liking, i ride my destrier when I am rolling a multiplier but otherwise ill stick to my rouncey, it's a lil more sturdy for a fraction of the price.
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Re: Cav is a Problem
« Reply #89 on: September 13, 2012, 01:44:01 am »
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Using a gimped (hybrided) HA build and saying that HA is fine is rediculous. It's kinda like making a level 15 cavalry and saying it's under-powered because it can't use the best horses. HA are much more dangerous than HX, although HX are more accurate, they don't shoot anywhere near the same speed. I have pure HA and HX alts, these are my experiences.
then I guess i will have to stf a dedicated HA, untill i know how and what. :)
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