Don't ever add stamina to the game

[Spook Island]

That'd be cool. And could have the regen on the stamina based on weight, agi, str, etc or just a baseline regen rate. Either way it'd be cool to have something like that.

Only problem I can conceive with it so far would be archers using it to kite people further like some have been known to currently do.

[rustyspoon]

Spook! YOU FOOL! The Devs may add stamina now just to troll you!

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! D:

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Yeah I think stamina and first person mode would be awesome, but should not be added.

Agree with the fat part, it's already ingame...

[CrazyCracka420]

Agree with the fat part, it's already ingame...

Hey cock breath, you knew what I meant, that I meant FORCED first person    I play in first person 90% of the time, since 90% of the time I'm lancer cav.

[CrazyCracka420]

I just had a great idea.  Instead of considering a stamina bar, just add a sprint bar instead.  That way you'd be adding a dimension without taking ability away from players.

Just enough juice for a about 5 seconds of a 50% increase to speed that recharges very slowly.

Something that would add flavor to the game without making a real impact on gameplay.
Those are almost always the best changes.

I just showered no more than 2 hours ago, but I feel dirty agreeing with you...still...I have to say this is an awesome idea.  Stamina would be nice, but it's way too late in Warband or c-rpg to add it.  But adding a sprint mechanism would be pretty fucking cool (would need a decently long slow down).

*EDIT* Shit double post, punish me!

[gazda]

the moment someone says stamina, you immidetly think of a magic bar that when empty , prevents you from attacking.

It doesn't have to work this way. Maybe it should work as a base value that depends on your build/skills. When it runs out instead of being unable to attack, you get a combat/skill penalty of certain value.

[HUtH]

Stamina would balance many things with agi/str builds imho...

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First of all - please add landsknecht jerkins, hats and katzbalger that I proposed and sent to Shik

Make "become master of the field" in battle much much earlier or do something different to add more depth to this mode... some kind of old capture the flag(sabotage) or smth.

Also add STAMINA... smth like that:

Point amount of stamina(let's say default amount would be 100) depends on:
- balance between str and agi - high str and low agi and vice versa decrease amount of stamina points. imho 18/18 would have the most stamina (it is realistic - strongmen cannot fight very long, because of lack of enough oxygen for muscles, and some super agile guy couldn't fight long, because of lack of strength needed to swing etc. Also it does not favor certain type of build)
- every IF and Athl point would increase stamina amount by some percent (the same as above - it does not favor certain build, but makes these skills more useful, especially IF)
- weight of armor decreases stamina amount(the heaviest armors dramatically, the light and medium not much), but str greatly reduces penalty of heavier armors

Every action that require some fatigue, would have some certain value of fatigue points that decrease stamina, depends on:
- weight of the weapon and shield - the heavier the arms, the more fatigue points
- the "stronger" bow and crossbow, the more fatigue is needed while loading and holding it(bow)
- not sure about it: the item stat requirement - the more stat points above the req. threshold the less fatigue is needed
- the more points in PS, PD, PT, WPF(while using proper weapon to stats) and WM(in general), the less fatigue is needed
- not very important: weight of gauntlets affect fatigue a bit
- important: after a quick drop of stamina because of ~4-8 ~8-12 attacks without a longer brake - every next attack after that spam should cost considerably more stamina. Also recovering stamina should last longer for some time - maybe it should also work after very long holding of weapon/bow/throwing w. - but with less recovery penalty.

And the actions and stamina cost:
- overhead swings with 2h and poles(without not long spears etc.) should take the most stamina, next would be side swings, stabs the least...
- same with 1h and spears - they should take maybe even half less stamina than 2h (but left 1h swing should cost more stamina )
- throw a weapon should cost like a 2h overhead swing or maybe more
- every block with weapon should cost a bit of stamina, every block with shield should cost a bit more
- holding shield up costs a small amount of stamina per some time frame
- loading a bow and xbow costs stamina(xbow more) - holding bow loaded should cost very much with geometrically cost increase
- holding weapon ready to strike or throw longer then 1 sec costs stamina, and the cost should go geometrically per time
- also all actions made in round should slowly decrease the player's max stamina, so at the end of round it'd be harder.

And recovery of stamina:
- the lighter the armor, the faster stamina gets to normal
- the same with weapon/shield weight
- stamina recovery starts after some time (few seconds lets say), and very slowly at the beginning (also spam attacking and long hold is punished as very tiresome, as stated earlier)
- riding a horse should slow down recovery a little bit
- not sure: closed, heavy helmets should slow down recovery

Finally - when stamina ends...:
- after reaching half of stamina points, attacks become less damaging and slower, and the less stamina, the weaker are the attacks/longer reload/slower throw speed and longer stun after blocking.
- when reaching 0 stamina, attacks are very very slow and weak that anyone with just 10 armour won't feel anything(well, it'd depends of weapon dmg...), but blocking/chambering is still possible(but difficult)
- after some time with 0 stamina(time depends on str/agi balance), player falls down and because iirc laying on the ground is not possible in game, the player just falls down few times more until stamina becomes to recover.

- and nothing more comes to my mind now...


Generally my intention is to made a stamina system that would be enough "realistic" for realism whores like me, but very playable. Also it would add much more depth to the game and make room for more balance, like light builds would be in some aspect much more useful, shielders permablock would cost them a bit, ultimate long and heavy 2h masters would have a bit harder life etc.
Also I want the system to make a game like this: two groups start fighting each other, but those in first line can't be there forever and just chop everyone or block everything for eternity, so they have to go back and make place for the second line or even retreat and regroup, leaving some, then strike back less fatigued at tired enemy. So Stamina system will add new tactic possibilities too.
The same with duels - they wouldn't last so long as now, because players(especially 2h-ers) will get tired and quickly the duel ends. And no spam attacks!

Even half of this system would be great in game

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Hey cock breath, you knew what I meant, that I meant FORCED first person    I play in first person 90% of the time, since 90% of the time I'm lancer cav.

Eh, first person cav sounds retarded TBH, anyone on a loomed courser could couch/ride right up behind and headshot you.

[Spook Island]

the moment someone says stamina, you immidetly think of a magic bar that when empty , prevents you from attacking.

It doesn't have to work this way. Maybe it should work as a base value that depends on your build/skills. When it runs out instead of being unable to attack, you get a combat/skill penalty of certain value.

I think of a bar that limits me in some way when It's drained, personally

[CrazyCracka420]

Eh, first person cav sounds retarded TBH, anyone on a loomed courser could couch/ride right up behind and headshot you.

Well I'm on a +3 courser.  And you can still look around in first person...it's much much easier to see in 3rd person, and I ride around in 3rd person when I'm not in the heat of battle.  But when I'm attacking (thrusting with lance) I am in first person.  I find it so much easier to judge exactly where the tip of my lance is in first person.  Similar to being able to shoot accurately with bows in first person.  I melee in 3rd person (of course).

[Spook Island]

Spook! YOU FOOL! The Devs may add stamina now just to troll you!

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! D:

lord have mercy if you are right...

may the baby jesus not forsake me

[Banok]

why wouldnt riding drain some stamina, I would think galloping more tiring for rider than walking, admittantly Ive never rode a horse.

[OssumPawesome]

ban stamina.
free spook.

[Kafein]

I suggest naming it otherwise so we don't have to suffer the prejudices of retarded posters. Projecting everything bad you can think of in a word isn't debating.

Therefore, we should add refrigerators in the mod.

[kinngrimm]

Keep in mind wise players will learn to conserve stamina for the situations they need it, others will perish 


suggestion for stamina usage:
First include into the following mind game a difference between
Stamina Capacity and Stamina Recharge Rate

attacking/blocking stops the Stamina Recharge Rate
running around and riding decreases the Stamina Recharge Rate(there is still a recharge of Stamina, it is just slower)
standing around has no effect on Stamina Recharge Rate

- open attacks of any weapon would drain constantly stamina depending on
* how long you hold the attack open before you release it, every second drains your stamina
* the weight of the weapon, the heavier the more stamina you use

- Stamina Capacity would be influenced by
* your strength, the more the bigger your Stamina Pool
* the weight of your overall gear, would reduce that stamina pool again

- Stamina Recharge rate would be also influenced by
* your agility, the more agility the higher the Stamina Recharge Rate
* the weight of your overall gear, would reduce that stamina recharge rate

- effects of low stamina or empty stamina pool
if you run out of stamina your movement speed and/or attack speed is reduced

results i imagine:
those ranged my old friends aiming for hours not watching their surrounding, but kiting away after first strike will run a tic slower if they didn't keep a little stamina reserve.
Those dudes just standing/walking around with open strikes for hours may do so, but will have to consider they may become slower in movement and attacks, that shouldn't be a problem with one opponent but with more then one.
Faster paced gameplay overall as those who don't take stamina into account will loose sooner.

Why not have running around use up stamina or standing around replenish it fast?
simple reason, people would hide somewhere to replenish before they go for the next fight or till they get found which never happen if the two last dudes are both counting on the other one will loose stamina while searching for him who is replenishing while waiting, that would be boring to watch, it should be done in a way that doesn't hinder the gameplay but supports the pace and fun and rewarding those who reserved and/or spent their stamina wisely.