getting crazy :l

[Lichen]

nerf ranged NOW

No, not yet. Work for your nerf. More crying needed IMO.

[Meow]

not sure about that
you say it doesn't do the same damage but i did a test on the duel server and i can assure you that with an archer level 30 (18 str 21 agi 6 pd 163 wpf) and NOTHING loomed i 3 shot radament. the problem is that with the same xbower and a heavy xbow i still 3 shot him; then you say that a xbower doesn't get PD bonus or wpf damage bonus that means the damage won't grow anymore, while the archer can surely do more damage. the problem are not the xbowers that seem fair to me, but the archers that do just a little too much damage (just 15% less damage needed imo) and that strange movement (i don't mean why, as a shielder, i should be scared by an archer that is 1 mt distant from me): it doesn't look like a great request.

So you do want xbows to do more more dps than bows while not requiring and skill but only wpf and str?
No.
That would be horrible balancing wise.

How often did you do that damage test with each weapon?
What bow and arrows did you use?
Against what armor and hp and at what distance?

Cause overall it seems you like you are missing the difference between crossbows and bows and want bows nerfed because you don't play smart against archers.

[Miley]

Archery is not OP. There is no "over shield" shots that archery can do that crossbows cannot, and I doubt you were one shotted wearing any armor of significant armor value.

(At least on NA)

[sF_Guardian]

yes a hunting crossbow yes you're right C: oh now wait except you have to recharge and while you're doing that you have to holdstill C:§

Are you dumb? Morningstar= 38 pierce, 2 hits with 0ps and 100wpf= 74 pierce (in theory, no bonuses, armors and stuff taken into account)
So just use ur imagination, do 2 hits with 0ps of a Morningstar kill those archers? No. and your X-Bow doesnt aswell.

[Moncho]

Another difference between EU 1-4 and crossbow-archery is that with the ammo you have, you can shoot for a much longer time with crossbows. That might be why in EU4 there are more archers (or they are more visible), simply because they can spam their arrows, or even go with just one stack, whereas in EU 1 archers run out of arrows quite early in the round if they spam them...
Also crossbows can be used to shotgun through shields, a pretty good bonus much easier to do than the get around and shoot method archers have...
Always archer vs crossbowman discussions remind me of this old thread, always a good laugh. It discusses nearly all there is, reminds you of the difference,

(click to show/hide)

and reminds you how my old friendgy crossbowmen are

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[darmaster]

No.

Bigger number of people is always a better indicator of how well things work.

you should type the reasons.. i've already told you mine..

[darmaster]

So you do want xbows to do more more dps than bows while not requiring and skill but only wpf and str?
No.
That would be horrible balancing wise.

How often did you do that damage test with each weapon?
What bow and arrows did you use?
Against what armor and hp and at what distance?

Cause overall it seems you like you are missing the difference between crossbows and bows and want bows nerfed because you don't play smart against archers.

about the pure xbowers i agree, there are too many people going with xbow and 0 wpf but this is another problem that should be fixed (for example you need 120 wpf for the hunting bow 130 for the light and so on).

How often did you do that damage test with each weapon? think 3/4
What bow and arrows did you use? rus bow with boodkin nothing MW
Against what armor and hp and at what distance? sarranid guard armor and scale gauntlets don't know if mw or not

[darmaster]

Are you dumb? Morningstar= 38 pierce, 2 hits with 0ps and 100wpf= 74 pierce (in theory, no bonuses, armors and stuff taken into account)
So just use ur imagination, do 2 hits with 0ps of a Morningstar kill those archers? No. and your X-Bow doesnt aswell.

ye you're right sorry about that was quite dumb in that moment P:

[darmaster]

Archery is not OP. There is no "over shield" shots that archery can do that crossbows cannot, and I doubt you were one shotted wearing any armor of significant armor value.

(At least on NA)

ye and god created earth in 7 days
never said i was 1shot with significant body armor..

[Meow]

You know you can quote more than one post at a time so you don't have to post 4 times to answer to 4 different people... just saying.

[darmaster]

You know you can quote more than one post at a time so you don't have to post 4 times to answer to 4 different people... just saying.

lul yes but it would be a very long post :l

[Rantrex]

Huh, I feel

(...)even at 10PD and an 160wpf a long bow with bodkins does not hit the damage of an arbalest with steel bolts(...)

isn't  right...

After getting an arrow from longbow (i find there masterworks) I don't feel difffrent than getting a steel bolt from arbalest. (Ofc I find archery pretty fine. Archers are not impossible to get by 2 prepared players having plan)

[Brutal]

i can swear on whatever you want i didn't 1shot 2 archers (i was 10 mt distant), but robin hood had 1shot me with an arrow and i have a Heavy Crossbow with Steel Bolts and 158 wpf on xbow.

I throw my throwing lance at Anon with 8 PT and 140+ wpf he shoot at the same time, we both hit.

I'm dead (full health no head shot), he runs away 
Shot him in the foot though.

[Turkhammer]

What level are you?
What is your build?
What armor do you use?
Were you moving towards the archer when you got hit?
What bow and arrows did he use?
Did he use heirloomed gear (bow/arrows)?
What level was he?
What was his build?

WPF does not influence crossbow damage btw.

Do you have any proof of that guy cheating or are you just randomly accusing people because you got killed?

Edit: Fixed "typo".

Meow, to be fair, he did state he was not accusing him of cheating.

[Meow]

Meow, to be fair, he did state he was not accusing him of cheating.

Good you are bringing that up cause I read it on my notebook in the sun and totally read it as "I'm saying he cheats", else I would not have brought it up
Editing that.