Really fucking tired of those "ruin" buildings in every fucking map

[Uumdi]

Yeah random plains are awful, but I hear you man, we could use some more props in the mod.  My only complaint about the ruins is it breaks my immersion knowing this ruin looks just like the other 3000 ruins I've climbed up over the years.  Archers are fine though.  Just avoid it altogether, or use ranged of your own when advancing.  I know there have been some ridiculous clutches and standoffs in those ruins, but they usually consist of a few shields and polearms on defense too.  The game needs that kind of nonsense sometimes.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

So, archers should stand in an open field where cav, other archers, and godzilla for all I care can rape them at leisure? There are like a million places they can camp that aren't 100% unaccasible for cav. Um, no.  Buildings only deter the hardest counter for archers, cav. And well, that shouldn't fucking happen, one thing is giving archers an advantage, but letting people camp rooftops and be unreachable is just plane retarded  It's not OP, it's rock, paper, scissors, balance. Dude, mount and blade is not a rock paper scissors game, if you're sufficiently better than your opponent in all other cases than archery vs something else then you'll win, archery is the only thing which if played somewhat noneretardedly will be invincible to every class in game 'cept other ranged players, so, if cRPG is rock, paper, scissors then genius, please fucking tell me how it makes sense that an aware archer noob will often beat an aware pro cav which you stated earlier was the archers natural fucking counter (as in, rocks paper), and now, retard, please explain to me how if cav is archerys counter you should be able to gain full fucking cav immunity, the entire claim that you shits deserve immunity from cavalry is extremely retarded and basically every statement you make is false or hypocritical.  If there's a building with 100 archers crammed in it and you can't assault (cause you're a useless cav in a city map), you pull a trick out of Nord Assault.  Wait for the flag. GG.

Hey, or you could bring a 1h and get off the damn pony. So, let's give arrows one arrow per quiver, you could just bring a 1h and change weapon.

Next, well see a guy complaining at length why shields are so OP because they can just walk right up to him and slaughter him in that ruined building.  Again. Next we'll see a guy complaining that shields don't do shit against archers 'cuss archers can outrun shielders and if there are more than 1 archer they can just gank the shielder and have one guy shoot him from each side.

[Sumdum Takeda]

lol  Zilch, you're either a troll or a complete noob.  Period.  Archers only outrun you and are invincible if your are a fucking retard with 18+ strength and a 1h/shield spec.  Explain that to me.  Do you need your heavy gauntlets to feel special?  And, "You Archers don't deserve cav immunity because you stand in one spot."  Is that a serious argument?  Get a shield.  Learn to play.  Never die to another archer.  Ever.

Or be a fucking noob and bitch because you can't easy-mode kill archers.

[Ganner]

Perhaps as a throwing cav leave them alone?  You dont have to try to kill anyone you see.  Learn to prioritize targets better and let your shielder friends go to town on the archers that decided to hide in an enclosed area they cant easily kite away from.  Every situation calls for a different type of troop, and that is one of the few that cav are not called for.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

And, "You Archers don't deserve cav immunity because you stand in one spot." Is that a serious argument?

Yes it is, but I get your point, from now on, I want 2 spots on every map that are perfectly accessible, and were archers can't shoot at or from, same base argument, but anyway, I'm just gonna label you a retard and ignore you.

[Osiris]

if they are unreachable how did the archers get there... If you cant go up a ladder without being shot thats your problem leave them for shielders.

[Oberyn]

As a horse thrower I think your best utility is as a cav hunter, particularly HA's. With the speed bonus change that devs have said is already in the works the class itself will probably become a lot deadlier.

[Torost]

The mapmakers have edited most maps now so there is very little possiblities to roofcamp, most places where archer get a little elevation are very exposed. For an archer to work effectivly he needs to be able to focus on pewpewing, and not constantly be on guard for backstabbing melee and outoftheblue cav.Let the other ranged and shielder deal with ranged nests.

Tip: Cav that is being chased by other cav, swing by your local archernest and let your persuer get som arrows in the face.
Same goes for infantry, if it gets tough, pull the fight in LOS of rangednest, and stay clear of the enemy.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

if they are unreachable how did the archers get there...

They're unreachable for cavalry, can't just give archers 100% immunity to one class while still being able to efficiently damage them, it's fucking retarded, and, getting up on those ruins is impossible unless the my old friendchers up there are outnumbered 5:1 or shit like that, and even then they can easily exit the ruin and kite over to some other ruin 'cuss there are like 50 of them in every fucking map.

For an archer to work effectivly he needs to be able to focus on pewpewing, and not constantly be on guard for backstabbing melee and outoftheblue cav.Let the other ranged and shielder deal with ranged nests.

Ok, and for a 2h hero to be able to work effectivly he needs to be able to focus on fighting, and not constantly dodge arrows and be on guard for backstabbing melee and outoftheblue cav.
And for a cav to be able to work effectivly he needs to be able to focus on backstabbing not dodging arrows.
You can watch out for cav while you're reloading your bow, aim once you're done, then shoot, then watch out, then shoot.

As a horse thrower I think your best utility is as a cav hunter, particularly HA's. With the speed bonus change that devs have said is already in the works the class itself will probably become a lot deadlier.

The reason I enjoy being a horse thrower is that there ain't nothing I can't fight, except for retards with great cover on unreachable ruins which are fucking retarded.

[Oberyn]

Depends what weapons you're taking. If you're talking about throwing lances, without the speed bonus, using them against infantry seems a waste. Never played as cav thrower so it's mostly out of experience from facing you and the few other cav throwers that exist.

[XyNox]

Im a little confused right now, am I seriously reading a "nerf cover" thread right now ?

[Miwiw]

It's actually just another "nerf ranged" thread, though this time it is a range being on horse that complains. 

[HardRice]

Holy fucking god, Zilsch PLEASE say "because" instead of this 'cuss shit you fucking invented.

[duurrr]

what about just fucking nerfing as a whole range already?

nerf  range, add more ruins also, i love terrain, you can 10v1 if you use the terrain well and theres no range in the 10

[Gawin]

TLDR... btw this cav guy sounds like another one of those spawn killers... or late spawn killers. hes just jealous that he has a tiny epeen