Buff Throwing - Suggestions

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Dude, I've mounted a destrier before and killed four+ guys just by bumping them, if you never get more than four kills per round (and TBH you can't really ever get more than 2 by throwing lances) then fuck you must suck.

[Riddaren]

Dude, I've mounted a destrier before and killed four+ guys just by bumping them, if you never get more than four kills per round (and TBH you can't really ever get more than 2 by throwing lances) then fuck you must suck.

Did you just say you suck?
Atleast I had no problem standing in my spawn waiting for enemy cav, killing 2 horses and 2 men each round just with 4 throwing lances.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Did you just say you suck?

What I meant was that if you can't get four kills per round as a lancer and think throwing is easier/deadlier then damn, you suck.

Atleast I had no problem standing in my spawn waiting for enemy cav, killing 2 horses and 2 men each round just with 4 throwing lances...

...and then there are the people who prefer actually playing the mod and not just pretending to be afk/spawnkilling/couching the last guy alive from his own horse that he willingly got off to not waste everybodys time 'cuss you're mad he outskills you heavily and outlances you with a throwing lance in melee mode.

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

Well I had a Jarid hybrid as my main for a while recently, no loomed Jarids either and I found I got about half my kills with Jarids and half with my Katana.

They way they threw was weird though, some days they'd just go in the centre and hit people, even while jumping and other days they basically throw sideways.

I'd like to see an alternate crosshair for throwing, it's smaller but the crosshair itself moves around depending on weapon, movement, wpf etc so you can actually aim it, it's just hard to time it. Think Day of Defeat sniping pre-retail only worse.

[Lorenzo_of_Iberia]

Throwing lances are fine imo. But take the medium class of weapons : Javelins, throwing axes, jarids... They are just ridiculously lacking. As a thrower cav with 145 ish throwing wpf and 5 pt, mw javelins. I have to hit an oncoming lancer with lamellar 3 times in the chest to kill him. I also have to hit a stationary arabian horse 4 times to bring it down. That seems a bit stupid to me. I get 6 throws with 2 stacks. Even if I hit everytime, which is borderline impossible as a thrower from more than 4m away.

I can kill 2 lancers speeding towards me.
I can kill maybe 2 peasants, stationary.
It is unlikely I will kill even 1 destrier.

My javelins do less damage than my ha counterparts arrows. There is something horrendously wrong there. Axes, jarids, they are just the same. These are javelins, the weapons that used to pierce straight through a man, make shields unusable and bring horses down with a good throw (also if we are to believe 300 they can take down war rhinos ). The throwing axes, historically were not nearly as dangerous but more just bounced about disrupting formations but all the same as this is not possible in crpg they need a buff to fill a similar roll to javelins.

[Meow]

Well, can't judge horse throwing now but when the speed bonus for attackers gets added at some point I figure it will be pretty deadly.

Ammo count might still be a problem but I doubt that will be changed.

As I said before I didn't feel like foot throwing was underpowered or anything, just takes a while to get used to it.
Personally I never liked the dart/spear/javelin type throwing stuff aiming wise, always went with axes and totally loved them.

[Plavor]

Yeah, I tried all the throwing stuff but I also prefer the axes.
They do decent dmg + you can ~predict where they will hit.

The other stuff is too random in my opinion.

@Meow : Sorry, it was night and I was a bit confused, so I didn't find the right section :p

[sF_Guardian]

Your dmg calculations are bullshit.
I 2-throw alot of people with 12/24 build and normal Heavy Throwin Axes.
Please be at least accurate with the stats if you suggest shit instead
of creating a random whine thread with bullshit facts.

[Riddaren]

What I meant was that if you can't get four kills per round as a lancer and think throwing is easier/deadlier then damn, you suck....and then there are the people who prefer actually playing the mod and not just pretending to be afk/spawnkilling/couching the last guy alive from his own horse that he willingly got off to not waste everybodys time 'cuss you're mad he outskills you heavily and outlances you with a throwing lance in melee mode.

What's up with the hate Zlisch? I never said throwing is easy or that you suck.
Personally I don't think a player is less skilled based on his choice of class or playstyle but obviously that's what you think.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Throwing lances are fine imo. But take the medium class of weapons : Javelins, throwing axes, jarids... They are just ridiculously lacking. As a thrower cav with 145 ish throwing wpf and 5 pt, mw javelins. I have to hit an oncoming lancer with lamellar 3 times in the chest to kill him. I also have to hit a stationary arabian horse 4 times to bring it down. That seems a bit stupid to me. I get 6 throws with 2 stacks. Even if I hit everytime, which is borderline impossible as a thrower from more than 4m away.

Your post is a bit retard, let me point out the flaw, you state throwing lances are fine, but, as a thrower cav with 145ish throwing wpf and 7 pt, mw throwing lances. I have to hit an oncoming lancer with lamellar 2 times in the chest to kill him. I also have to hit a stationary arabian horse 2 times to bring it down. That seems a bit stupid to me. I get 2 throws with 2 stacks. Even if I everytime, which is hard as hell.

What's up with the hate Zlisch? I never said throwing is easy or that you suck.
Personally I don't think a player is less skilled based on his choice of class or playstyle but obviously that's what you think.

The throwing was very accurate and did high damage. Nothing to complain about there

A player is not more or less skilled based on his choice of class or playstyle, however, he is more or less skilled based on how he performs with said playstyle, and, standing around afk/couching late spawning peasants is gay, it doesn't mean you're bad, it just means you're gay, standing around acting like you're afk to kill lancers or spawnkilling is gay, also, I can stand around pretending to be afk at spawn and then kill everyone who tries to lance me with a pike, that doesn't make using a pike easy as fuck, it just makes the lancers retards. A couched lance will deal more damage than a throwing lance headshot with a good build, so, lancing is deadlier.

[Lorenzo_of_Iberia]

Your post is a bit retard

Zlisch respect your elders mate We all know that I am the top horse thrower in eu! Jokes aside : I didn't realise that your throwing lances did so little and I apologise, if what you say is true then I think throwing lances are also a bit screwed atm.

[Riddaren]

Your post is a bit retard, let me point out the flaw, you state throwing lances are fine, but, as a thrower cav with 145ish throwing wpf and 7 pt, mw throwing lances. I have to hit an oncoming lancer with lamellar 2 times in the chest to kill him. I also have to hit a stationary arabian horse 2 times to bring it down. That seems a bit stupid to me. I get 2 throws with 2 stacks. Even if I everytime, which is hard as hell.
A player is not more or less skilled based on his choice of class or playstyle, however, he is more or less skilled based on how he performs with said playstyle, and, standing around afk/couching late spawning peasants is gay, it doesn't mean you're bad, it just means you're gay, standing around acting like you're afk to kill lancers or spawnkilling is gay, also, I can stand around pretending to be afk at spawn and then kill everyone who tries to lance me with a pike, that doesn't make using a pike easy as fuck, it just makes the lancers retards. A couched lance will deal more damage than a throwing lance headshot with a good build, so, lancing is deadlier.

Did I ever say something about throwing from horseback? No, I didn't.
It's probably the hardest thing to do. I like you for playing differently. There are not many horse throwers around.

But I can't say I'm happy about you calling me a noob every time you say something to me.
It's getting a bit annoying. I'm sure you remember the time when I was owning the server and you and Fraggle started to harass me.

[Son Of Odin]

The thing that bothers me is people who try to make pure thrower character, and then whine its up. Pure thrower is a left over obsession from the times when pure throwing was actually hilariously op and basically everybody and their moms had at least some throwing skill. Something had to be done and here we are. Throwing favors hybridization. Makes perfect sense when thinking about realism, and is balanced now.

What I would like to see is new throwing weapons, variety.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Did I ever say something about throwing from horseback? No, I didn't.  Ground throwing is also UP compared to all other ranged, the investment, accuracy, damage, and ammo count don't match.
It's probably the hardest thing to do. Not really, my stonethrower alt is ten times harder than my main. I like you for playing differently. There are not many horse throwers around.

But I can't say I'm happy about you calling me a noob every time you say something to me.
It's getting a bit annoying. I'm sure you remember the time when I was owning the server and you and Fraggle started to harass me. Eh, yeah, I remember, even made a reference to it in an earlier post.

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and then there are the people who prefer actually playing the mod and not just pretending to be afk/spawnkilling/couching the last guy alive from his own horse that he willingly got off to not waste everybodys time 'cuss you're mad he outskills you heavily and outlances you with a throwing lance in melee mode.

You were hardly owning me, and we were hardly harassing you, after the duel were I hit you like 30 times and you like twohit me I make a joking reply about the outcome being unfair, next round when I request duels, you say no and try to attack me, I dehorse you with my throwing lance in melee mode I also say "owned" or something, again, jokingly, nothing serious, then I dehorse 'cuss I don't feel like wasting an hour riding around in a circle trying to throw at the last three guys when my ammo count would be too low to kill more than one of you anyway, then you get up on my horse and couch me in an already 2vs1, then me, Fraggle, and a bunch of other guys called you a my old friend, hardly harassment.
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Zlisch respect your elders mate We all know that I am the top horse thrower in eu! True  Jokes aside : I didn't realise that your throwing lances did so little and I apologise, if what you say is true then I think throwing lances are also a bit screwed atm. True 

[Miwiw]

Dedicated thrower is a troll class anyway. Funny to play, but isn't (and shouldn't be) the most effective class out there. Anyway, imagine a 21/15 shielder and compare to a 21/15 shielder with PT investment

Without reading the whole thread, this.
Throwing is an addition but shouldnt be played as a class itself. You should always take a melee weapon with you, simple thing; you cant lose your melee weapon, but there is a limit of how many throwing weapons you can have.
Best are javs/jarids/throwing axes and war darts. War Darts are really effective, simply because one stack has a good amount of them. They do medium pierce damage so they 1hit if you head the enemie's head. They are not too strong because really no weapon should 1hit anyway unless its going to the head (archers headshots onehit, melee hits to the head usually 1hit as well, depending on the head armor, lances can couch, crossbows are sniping weapons anyway, so that is really balanced).

I really like my 18/18 build currently. 4 or 5 PT (or even go higher to 6), enough wpf for most throwing stuff, enough wpf for my 1h sidearm, 6 shield skill, 6 PS and 6 ATH. A good hybrid at level 30, on higher levels even better. Best with war darts.

Horse Throwers need some love, not only due to upkeep.