HA - how many agi points?

[Murchad]

I played more last night and on open maps i was able to do really well.
sure it takes alot more hits to kill someone but I didn't have a problem hitting enemies even at long range.

I am thinking that once I triple loom my bow that I will be even more effective.
I have been playing naked and going horseless on close maps so on those i have bad ratios but overall i am very pleased with the feel of horsearchery now. much more satisfying imo
Loki i agree that your build is very flawed.. at level 30 you need to hit the 24agi 4HA point
HA decreases your damage penalty and increases accuracy.
4HA, less PD and more weapon mastery will really increase your accuracy.

one tip is to slow down slightly just before each shot when you are shooting at long range.

Here's my build this gen... i will do a bit different next time
Age 44 [29]
Experience 3645522
Level up at 4420577
Kills 5168
Death 1537
Gold 147632
Generation 5
Attribute Points 0
Skill Points 1
Weapon Proficiency Points 2
Convert 2 Skill Points into 1 Attribute point.   

Strength 12 
Agility 25 

One Handed 1 [1 WPF cost]   
Two Handed 1 [1 WPF cost]   
Polearm 1 [1 WPF cost]   
Archery 171 [12 WPF cost]
Crossbow 1 [1 WPF cost]   
Throwing 1 [1 WPF cost]   

Ironflesh 0 
Power Strike 0 
Shield 0 
Athletics 0 
Riding 7 
Horse Archery 4 
Power Draw 4 
Power Throw 0 
Weapon master * 8 

[Boss_Awesome]

Seeing as it takes 5 arrows to kill a courser with PD 5 145 wpf and a strong bow with bodkin arrows I doubt you killed "dozens of horses" with your bow.

For the record, it was a "Heavy" Courser

[Thomek]

Age   45 [30]
Experience   4666145
Level up at   8735843
Kills   6067
Death   3085
Gold   78750
Generation   2
Attribute Points   0
Skill Points   1
Weapon Proficiency Points   3
Convert 2 Skill Points into 1 Attribute point.   


Strength   15   
Agility   20   


One Handed   80   [3 WPF cost] 
Two Handed   1   [1 WPF cost] 
Polearm   1   [1 WPF cost] 
Archery   142   [9 WPF cost]
Crossbow   1   [1 WPF cost] 
Throwing   1   [1 WPF cost] 

Ironflesh   0   
Power Strike   5   
Shield   3   
Athletics   2   
Riding   6   
Horse Archery   3   
Power Draw   5   
Power Throw   0   
Weapon master *   6   

Don't make this build, it's unplayable.  The only reason I can kill people is because I'm a better player.

Sorry but that build stinks.

If you are HA you can't be jack of all trades. You have points in shield for christ sake.

If I were you I would have less riding, no or very little PS, no shield, perhaps no athletics. Go  make a pure HA and see if its viable..

[Murchad]

in Loki's defence he admitted his build stunk.
in the previous patch his similar build was very effective, I think it still could be if he modified it somewhat.
I would reduce ps to 3,  riding to 5, pd to 4,
convert 2 skills to agi, put 3 more str into agi.

this would give you 2 more pts in weapon mastery and 1 more HA
you would also retain your uniqueness and I believe would be more flexible.
you still have the choice of armored and unarmored horses

P.S. hope you can get your build working the way you want.
and i hope you can keep the shield; it makes you unique

[UrLukur]

(1) I completly agree that 2 part anim would be perfect. (has anyone contacted animator to see if he's interested?)

(2) I would say that they need to give HA's one thing back.
Pierce instead of Cut, better accuracy, or reduce HA req agi

I used to get at least 25kills a map prepatch now i am having a hard time keeping 3:1 ratio
and plenty of my kills are from bump/scavenged wep kills

shooting down heavy cav feels like a waste of arrows now. 
you have to do more of a hybred playstyle to get alot of kills.
shoot alot of people wounding mostly then finishing off with scavenged wep/bump or vice versa

1. Totally agree, archery should be done in 2 stages.

2. No pierce, or make two lines of bows, one with pierce and one with cut damage (but make cut ones better against non-plated). Still, killing with bow should require some effort and multiple hits. Better accuracy, well, pd and armor penalty can be adjusted. 5 AGI per HA sound fair.

Maybe you are not very good player, and you had good k/d ratio just cause you used overpowered class. Most likely.

Armored horses need some treatment. That's for sure.
Thats good, just shooting was not fun for others.
Kill unaware people with melee, cause panic and disorder, work with the team. HA should never be one-man-army. That was one of the most glaring flaw of earlier version.

[bruce]

The fact you need to expose yourself to some danger in order to get a lot of kills is really something you can't complain about.

[Formless]

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I played more last night and on open maps i was able to do really well.
sure it takes alot more hits to kill someone but I didn't have a problem hitting enemies even at long range.

I am thinking that once I triple loom my bow that I will be even more effective.
I have been playing naked and going horseless on close maps so on those i have bad ratios but overall i am very pleased with the feel of horsearchery now. much more satisfying imo
Loki i agree that your build is very flawed.. at level 30 you need to hit the 24agi 4HA point
HA decreases your damage penalty and increases accuracy.
4HA, less PD and more weapon mastery will really increase your accuracy.

one tip is to slow down slightly just before each shot when you are shooting at long range.

Here's my build this gen... i will do a bit different next time
Age 44 [29]
Experience 3645522
Level up at 4420577
Kills 5168
Death 1537
Gold 147632
Generation 5
Attribute Points 0
Skill Points 1
Weapon Proficiency Points 2
Convert 2 Skill Points into 1 Attribute point.   

Strength 12 
Agility 25 

One Handed 1 [1 WPF cost]   
Two Handed 1 [1 WPF cost]   
Polearm 1 [1 WPF cost]   
Archery 171 [12 WPF cost]
Crossbow 1 [1 WPF cost]   
Throwing 1 [1 WPF cost]   

Ironflesh 0 
Power Strike 0 
Shield 0 
Athletics 0 
Riding 7 
Horse Archery 4 
Power Draw 4 
Power Throw 0 
Weapon master * 8

Murchard, while I have build many type of characters I never done HA before, thanks for the build idea.  What horse do you recommend for HA beginning, intermediate and advanced?

[Nick_Larking]

Why 7riding?
A courser only takes 4 and a heavier one takes 5-6, seems a waste of point(s) to me.

[Murchad]

I would recommend switching between sarranid and cataphract horse

yeah 7 is waste, I wanted to see how faster/manouverable it is with extra riding, it's nice but points would be better elsewhere. 5 would be all you need.

[EliteDragon]

I would recommend switching between sarranid and cataphract horse

yeah 7 is waste, I wanted to see how faster/manouverable it is with extra riding, it's nice but points would be better elsewhere. 5 would be all you need.

Max I would put into Riding would be 5, put 2 of those points into PS and carry a Katana so you stand a chance when your horse dies. Your horse won't live forever.

[kongxinga]

Reason your horse wont live forever is because you only put 5 ride. That is a bit too slow, and is borderline lance/couch fodder. Speed is life. Go for 30 agil, 5 HA, and split the rest between ride and WM.

Good dedicated cav can have 10 ride, and easily lance your 5 ride horse, so 5 ride is cutting it too close. 7 gives the ability to ride all horses, including stubborn ones.

[EliteDragon]

Reason your horse wont live forever is because you only put 5 ride. That is a bit too slow, and is borderline lance/couch fodder. Speed is life. Go for 30 agil, 5 HA, and split the rest between ride and WM.

Good dedicated cav can have 10 ride, and easily lance your 5 ride horse, so 5 ride is cutting it too close. 7 gives the ability to ride all horses, including stubborn ones.

But you don't want to have a high speed; you just have more accuracy penalties. You want maneuverability and either Steppe or Sarranid will get that job done. Maybe your playstyle as a HA is to run away as fast as you can, but I prefer to evade while shooting off the chaser. Also did I mention I like to do CQ combat once in awhile, not shoot from afar? So for me, a couple points into PS benefits me more imho.

[The_Newer_Wind]

Well, i think if you convert more skill points into attribute points it will help, if you want to be pure HA and not hybrid.

[Murchad]

My new HA has 6 riding and i really think it is important for survival.
There are so many cav riding coursers now that extra riding is all the more important.
5pd and 4HA is perfect for pure HA, for hybred drop down to 12 str so you can do some ps etc