Why should one wear havy armor

[Tzar]

(and i would look like the 1000 other tincans).

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Join eu1 or siege at any given time an try to gather atleast 2 or 3 tincans out of a 100 players....

God you really hate plate armor huh : do you have 5 or less ps or something :

[bosco]

Maintaining a full tincan is noticeably more expensive than feeding and petting an Arabian Warhorse - somehow the priorities are messed up here. 

[Huey Newton]

Honestly all plate armor should be given the old armor soak values back to make them more than just armor with more protection.
Make them unique in that they will cause glances to cut damage weapons.
Pierce and Blunt will still eat plate alive.

In return increase the weight of all the newly edited play armors by 30-40 percent.
This will make plate armor wearers very slow and their wpf affected noticeably.
Please don't post saying "you can run and jump in plate armor IRL"
Please balance =\= realism

[oprah_winfrey]

I had a fully loomed set of plate armor and I got rid of it about a month ago because it is useless compared to medium body armor.

[bosco]

Just got killed by one thrust from a ninja with Bastard Sword, wearing full Milanese plate with 70% health left  - that's pure fun. 

[Tzar]

Honestly all plate armor should be given the old armor soak values back to make them more than just armor with more protection.
Make them unique in that they will cause glances to cut damage weapons.
Pierce and Blunt will still eat plate alive.

While fun i don't think it will work out since too many people use agi builds with low ps.

The forums would be flooded in tears...

I suggest that the weight an the armor an price gets reduced drastically so that you could wear the armors without having to pay stupid amounts of upkeep just for looks... since i don't see how they could buff the heavy armors without the agi lobby goin insane.

[RandomDude]

Comparing fully loomed gothic plate to unloomed haubergeon - my k/d rockets in battle/siege with one set but can u guess which?

That's right, the haubergeon.

I was going to say that as long as ranged doesnt get me I can pwn in haubergeon but i get hs by 1 arrow in gothic too so it doesnt make a difference.

[San]

Loomed medium armor >>> whatever heavy armor can bring you. Only time I notice heavy armor is good is on 36 STR builds who are slow regardless. (But that's mostly ironflesh's work)

[Lichen]

Honestly all plate armor should be given the old armor soak values back to make them more than just armor with more protection.
Make them unique in that they will cause glances to cut damage weapons.
Pierce and Blunt will still eat plate alive.

I agree with that.

In return increase the weight of all the newly edited play armors by 30-40 percent.
This will make plate armor wearers very slow and their wpf affected noticeably.
Please don't post saying "you can run and jump in plate armor IRL"
Please balance =\= realism

Plate is already slow enough. Any more and you might as well just sit at spawn and wait for enemies to come to you.

Has anyone seen a plate wearer recently who WASN'T using some sort of crushthrough weapon? There's a reason for that and it's because they are far too slow to have a regular fight with blocking and footwork and mauling is the best option for being effective and not dying in a flurry of spam from any and everything.

[zagibu]

Yeah, I guess RandomDude is one of the last plated players who doesn't use a great maul exclusively. Him and Georges, but haven't seen the latter in quite some time.

[Bobthehero]

I do try to use my plate as often as I can, when I can afford it.

[zagibu]

So do I. Hmmm, maybe we should form the brotherhood of steel. Or the robot army. Or something.

[Leshma]

Plate is already slow enough. Any more and you might as well just sit at spawn and wait for

Plate doesn't slow you down if you use it in combination with pure STR build (you're already slow lol). Wearing plate as AGI build is stupid, because you lose almost all your speed but don't gain much because it's HP that allows you to survive, not armor rating. All thanks to armor ignore flag all ranged have and no glancing and damage soak changes.

In other words, plate is awesome if you roll 36/3 build but it's shit if you wear plate with any build that has less than 27 STR and full IF.

[Huey Newton]

I feel that it wouldn't be much of a buff to plate wearers. If any at all.
Also I feel the

5 most expensive leg armors
3 most expensive hand armors
6 most expensive head armors
should qualify for this armor soak/weight change.
For example average NA strength 2her build

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 27
Agility: 12
Hit points: 80
Skills to attributes: 8
Ironflesh: 9
Power Strike: 9
Athletics: 4
Weapon Master: 1
Two Handed: 119


Wearing Gothic Plate with Bevor
weight: 27.9
head armor: 8
body armor: 56
leg armor: 20
difficulty:
But the new armor weight would be 39.06 (40 percent increase)

Cased Greaves
weight: 3.6
leg armor: 39
difficulty: 15

With new values/weight weight increase to 5.04 round to 5.1 weight

Plate Mittens
weight: 1.4
body armor: 8
difficulty: 14

New value/weight increase to 1.96 --> 2 weight

Milanese Sallet
weight: 3.8
head armor: 58
difficulty: 16

Increase weight to 5.32 or 5.3 weight

And say we are using a danish greatsword since most 2hers have no sense of identity and want to use what is popular.

weapon length: 124
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 124
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 40 cut


Using the crpg damage calculator here is what we get

Damage values
Minimum: 49
Average: 55.5
Maximum: 62

Effective wpf
Armor Weight: 51.5
Effective Armor Weight: 57.1
Effective WPF: 51
WPF penalty from weight: 68

Original wpf 119 - 68 penalty an effective wpf of 51

People having this massive of a penalty is certainly reasonable if old armor soak values are re-implemented.

Not to mention what an effective armor weight of 57.1 would do to your walking/running speed

Strength builds w/plate will be stronger more durable and slower

As they should be

[Mala]

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Join eu1 or siege at any given time an try to gather atleast 2 or 3 tincans out of a 100 players....

God you really hate plate armor huh : do you have 5 or less ps or something :

Naa, i hate everyone.