Newest cav buff

[Leshma]

Some might see this as call for nerf but I think we should find a way how to fix this.

You see, until recently, cav when dehorsed could easily be killed while still laying on the ground. That makes perfect sense because mounted they have advantage over infantry players.

However, now when dead bodies are soaking hits horses can save riders from certain death in most cases.

Either make it so horses don't soak hits or riders should take 30% damage every time when dehorsed.

[Miwiw]

Most times cav players didnt have lots of chances when dehorsed therefore if that will happen more often, it is a good change imo. Cav is only cav when on horse, give them a chance when dehorsed, they're depending on the build a crippled infantry class.

[Penitent]

Either make it so horses don't soak hits or riders should take 30% damage every time when dehorsed.

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[Leshma]

Most times cav players didnt have lots of chances when dehorsed therefore if that will happen more often, it is a good change imo. Cav is only cav when on horse, give them a chance when dehorsed, they're depending on the build a crippled infantry class.

Unlike infantry, they have two lives. Extra life costs between 9k and 65k gold.

Before that second life kicked in rarely, now that's very often because horse carcass is protecting them.

No, it's not fair to let them live twice just because they are paying extra upkeep.

Cmp, was this intented? This is cav buff, after all.

[Gurnisson]

Most times cav players didnt have lots of chances when dehorsed therefore if that will happen more often, it is a good change imo. Cav is only cav when on horse, give them a chance when dehorsed, they're depending on the build a crippled infantry class.

Crippled infantry? Sacrifice one point of ath/ps (3 attributes) for 7 riding and you're suddenly crippled? Bullshit

[bruce]

Well you can still hit them just fine when they're down.

[Largg]

Well you can still hit them just fine when they're down.

One hit if you are lucky. After that the crippled infantry comes at you with his great long axe axe and you are in big trouble with your long spear. I really wouldnt mind if downed cav stayed down longer time, took damage or took a bit longer time to switch the weapon. Currently I think it is a ridiculously efficent class to play.

[bruce]

Probably easiest class to score kills with, but it's got more to do with horses not being so easily shot down by ranged compared to when I was playing, when archers were more fear-inducing for someone on a unarmoured horse.

[BlameMeForTheNoise]

I agree with leshma. Did not pay much mind to this but I noticed I can dehorse just fine. But because the Horse soaks up the damage the rider HAS to be hit first or he will live.
All realism apart: That is a serious buff to cav from an infantry perspective. And in my opinion that makes them even more easymode as they already are...

And if youre really unlucky the rider gets then teleported elsewhere and you can forget hitting him on the ground.

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

Make the horses cause bumps during their damage soak period. Realistic. Also awesome.

[justme]

how is it possible to change right couch to left one instantly? that's crap

[Bulzur]

Agree with Leshma there.

Notice it two times already today, once with an archer.
The fact that we could hit them on the ground was a good way to balance their uberness on their horse, if you take that away, because the horse sucks hit, then add fall damage.

Though i'd prefer if dead horses don't suck hits like dead human bodies. Dunno if that's possible, or if the two are "bodies" and thus have the same features.

[cmp]

It's possible, but I'd rather find a different solution...

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... by nerfing cav obviously.

[Kafein]

Level 30 cav people are usually level 27 inf equivalent, so it's not crippled, but certainly not awesome either.

Now that downed horsemen are not completely free kills, maybe it would be nice to implement a small falling down damage on dehorsing depending on speed. Obviously enough falling from an unmoving horse getting killed doesn't hurt that much.

[bruce]

You still get a free hit on the dehorsed horseman most of the time (or gangrape if he lands in it), although definitely it's harder to kill both horse and horseman in one go.

Reduce horse HP to make them less tanky then now?