Buff archers

[bruce]

Increase damage of all ranged by 50%, increase weight of bolts / arrows / etc by 250% so you have to drop them to run away.

[Adamar]

Increase damage of all ranged by 50%, increase weight of bolts / arrows / etc by 250% so you have to drop them to run away.

So that archers have to drop their arrows to follow the army?

[bruce]

Nonsense. They will just move at the pace of everyone else then.

That said, who knows, maybe people will use a shieldwall or something on an open map for a change if ranged isn't only an annoyance except vs peasantry, horses and in case of headshot.

[Adamar]

That would require teamplay.

[bruce]

There used to be it on open maps because of ranged & cav rape.

But anyway, if you're as fast as an ordinary infantryman you can keep up with the combat. You just can't lolkite. In return, you can kill people with less shots.

 A 2 IF guy with 13 str and haubergeon can survive a MW arbalest+MW bolt shot, or quite a bit of arrows. A heirloomed longbow won't kill a naked peasant. Throwing was raped. Bit silly.

I mean the old old old archers which could oneshot 5IF + mail with a strong bow (not sure how it's called now, but it was a mid-tier bow) were absurd and good riddance, and the arrow speed reduction is very welcome, but the damage now is meh.

[Adamar]

I dont see it working, rapping everything from a distance just to lose the ability to kite? The playerbase would GTX before they adapted to that.

[bruce]

50% isn't rape. We lived (and whined, with reason) at something like 100++% the damage it is now + the ability to lolsnipe with superfast arrows + etc. Would be more shields on the battlefield, would be more deaths during random herp derp twohander zerging, and cavalry would get shot down more.

50% is more like being able to kill a naked guy with a single shot from a MW longbow; or being able to one-shot a low to mid armoured player with low HP using a MW arbalest. That's not gamebreaking, that's common sense.

[Torost]

The damage from archers will always be on the lowside, the majority of players want to play mass dueling not battle.
Crossbows on the hand gets a pass, oddly enough.

I dislike the archerpenalties for wearing armor,PD/wpfrestrictions and only shiiity 0slot weapons that are only good for blocking.
The idea that archers == peasants is just silly.
Removing these restrictions would reduce alot of the QQing from the superheroesgang related to archers playing the only way they can. By releasing arrows, cant release arrows if you are dead from a duel you had no chance of winning.

[bruce]

Crossbows are also shit compared to what they were. An agibuild with no IF used to be instakilled by the old sniper.

Throwing, too.

[Rico]

Archers are fine. I am an archer and can't complain.

[Ronin]

What are you still discussing? Buff the goddamn archery already!

[Miwiw]

Ye, give us 30 STR, 10 IF/10PS by default!!

[sF_Guardian]

Ye, give us 30 STR, 10 IF/10PS by default!!

And restriction to 1 wpf

[XyNox]

Buff plox

[Ronin]

Why don't we
-increase all items weight by (x 5) and
-make 13 points in TwoHanded/Pole decrease 1 point of athletics

so that no one can dodge arrows. Yes this is actually a good suggestion.