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Offline Leshma

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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2012, 02:35:38 pm »
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Gooby pls... Your argument is invalid. If I'd get 10 gold every time when someone says "I just took that horse and did this and that with it, lance is op goddamit do something because I could do that just like that it must be op do something fuck cav is easy, I tried it once" I would be rich..

I don't mind if you or Oberyn one hit people with it but killing people while riding at low speed with no weapon proficiency is imho broken.

Damage shouldn't be the same at low speed and high speed, you should only be able to instakill someone with couched heavy lance if you have at least 6 PS, fast loomed horse and decent riding skill. Right now that's not the case.

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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2012, 02:40:08 pm »
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I don't mind if you or Oberyn one hit people with it but killing people while riding at low speed with no weapon proficiency is imho broken.

Damage shouldn't be the same at low speed and high speed, you should only be able to instakill someone with couched heavy lance if you have at least 6 PS, fast loomed horse and decent riding skill. Right now that's not the case.

You base everything on one couch? Sometimes I couldn't one-hit medium armor users at full speed, sometimes I could one-hit platers at average speed. I guess the damage is quite random like with arrows.
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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2012, 02:44:08 pm »
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You base everything on one couch? Sometimes I couldn't one-hit medium armor users at full speed, sometimes I could one-hit platers at average speed. I guess the damage is quite random like with arrows.

Then there are times when I hit a naked long bow archer from full speeding courser (not couch), and he lives. So yeah it's random sometimes.
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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2012, 03:00:06 pm »
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You base everything on one couch? Sometimes I couldn't one-hit medium armor users at full speed, sometimes I could one-hit platers at average speed. I guess the damage is quite random like with arrows.

I can survive couched lance sometimes but that's only if I'm running from it and therefore negating speed bonus. If a player is standing still, strafing or going forward in 99% of cases he will die and armor or horse speed/riding skill have little or no impact.

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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2012, 03:11:20 pm »
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It's really not very hard to do if you study it.
However i'm not going to tell anyone else how to do it, since its my special way of dealing with shielders  :wink:

Yeah you were the one that did it to me.

I just figured since we have WSE or whatever it is called we could get rid of broken mechanics like this.

Getting rid of bump couch would not be a nerf... It would be fixing something that should not happen.
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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2012, 06:42:03 pm »
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Removing couch lance would weaken cav heavily. Couch lance is just part of the game as chamber for example is. I like having it in the game. You also have to notice that it is usually easy to avoid being couched unless you either don't care or get attacked from behind (in that casees it's your own fault).
The bump couch lance doesn't happen often so why remove it (or weaken it)?

If that would be removed something else should be heavily buffed for cav, e.g not let the horse ever get 1/2hit again just when aiming at the legs (which is awful anyway).

And Leshma, just because you get some kills of unaware players, doesnt mean the class is overpowered. It's the same with crossbows on the ground, you can pick them up and do headshots.. oh just 1 wpf? LETS nerf crossbows! ;)
Removing couch lance from non couching lances is the way to go. Want to couch? Get a great lance or tourney lance (which can not thrust). Oh, and wear heavy armor so you can affix a brace for the lance.

Otherwise it is and has always been a stupid mechanic. But go on, be that stupid guided missile and couch away. You will no doubt couch many infantry in the back, including team mates. Inflate your kdr and your ego! be a valour whore while your team loses, who cares!

Try not to gloss over the part where I said 'also de-fuck lance thrust radius' - the whole argument for the fucking seems to be 'so one hand cav' have a chance against them.
a. fuck them, every one of those bump slashing wogs.
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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2012, 10:42:25 pm »
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meh, is it really worth fixing this thing that happens very rarely?  I can probably count on one hand how many times I've been bump couched.  Such it sucks and makes 0 sense in reality, but it's not a rampant problem and frankly I think resources are better spent elsewhere
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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2012, 09:22:42 am »
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meh, is it really worth fixing this thing that happens very rarely?  I can probably count on one hand how many times I've been bump couched.  Such it sucks and makes 0 sense in reality, but it's not a rampant problem and frankly I think resources are better spent elsewhere

It might be an easy fix.  You never know.
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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2012, 04:07:57 pm »
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How is it you can get horse bumped then couched in the same pass by the same rider?

If you dodge the couch you get horse bumped...  It is not possible that the lance can even hit you at that point...

This is a balance issue please fix it.

Not to mention horribly unrealistic.

been like this forever.  It's the same mechanic that allows you to get stabbed by a pike when you are 1 foot in front of the pikemen. 
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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2012, 08:41:25 pm »
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Hopefully there is a safe way to remove it without messing with the mechanics too much. Maybe make it so the hitbox is farther away from the rider or something? As others said, it's already a rare occurrence.

Anyways, if you get jump slashed, you guessed the positioning wrong or you just weren't good enough to space it correctly.

No, here's how to fix it.

Make the hitbox of the lances/couches/whateverthefuckelse only the actual tip of the lance instead of a HUGE FUCKING SQUARE infront of it.

I don't know if it's actually a big square, but it sure as hell appears so, I get couched and stab killed so many times by lances that doesn't even come within 5 inches of touching me, yet I die a horrible death because I touched the magic square conveniently placed around the lance's tip for any miss the Cavalry might get.

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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2012, 07:16:44 pm »
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Couching with heavy lance is broken.

First moment I hit level 35 and put 3 points into riding I managed to find stray rouncey on the battlefield, pick up heavy lance (non-loomed) and kill fully armored enemy with a couched lance. We were playing on a map with a lot of small hills...

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- 20 mph at best

It's way too effective for an almost nonexistent price.

Power strike affect couching alot

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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2012, 07:26:36 pm »
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And Leshma, just because you get some kills of unaware players, doesnt mean the class is overpowered. It's the same with crossbows on the ground, you can pick them up and do headshots.. oh just 1 wpf? LETS nerf crossbows! ;)


Not nerf, remove. Then we all can be happy. Except bundle of stickss. bundle of stickss use crossbows a lot and would be unhappy. But who gives a fuck?
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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2012, 08:43:59 pm »
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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2012, 12:05:10 am »
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They fixed it. Instead of getting bump couched, I just die from the bump in 1 hit  :|
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Re: Cavalry can bump and couch at the same time?
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2012, 12:07:27 am »
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They fixed it. Instead of getting bump couched, I just die from the bump in 1 hit  :|
lol - but it was a skill bump right?
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