Strategus Fief Owners - Building feedback

[Tomas]

base maximum amount of objects on visitors in your fief?

What happens when somebody leaves but you already have buildings for them?

[chadz]

I have to ask if their are any plans to take this idea to its ultimate conclusion?

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Starting Village:  Population = 200, Max Crafting Efficiency = 60%, Max Recruiting Efficiency = 60%

Adding Walls and Towers:
- Costs gold
- Reduces all efficiencies slightly

Adding a Keep:
- Costs gold
- Reduces all efficiencies slightly

Adding a Barracks
- Costs gold
- Increases Population
- Reduces Crafting Efficiency
- Increases Recruiting Efficiency

Adding a Blacksmith
- Costs gold
- Increases Recruiting Efficiency
- Increases Equipment Crafting Efficiency (Okin has suggested splitting goods and equipment crafting efficiencies and I agree)
- Decrease Goods Crafting Efficiency

Adding a House
- Costs gold
- Increases Population

Adding a Farm
- Costs gold
- Increases Population
- Increases Goods Crafting Efficiency
- Increases Recruiting Efficiency

Adding a Workshop
- Costs gold
- Increases Goods Crafting Efficiency
- Reduces Recruiting Efficiency

Adding a Market
- Costs Gold
- Adds the market function to the fief
- Increases Crafting Efficiency
- Reduces Recruiting Efficiency

Basically, the more you add the more you can customize your fief's population and efficiencies.  However the more you add the more you have to spend on walls and towers to protect what you have

Plans? Yes. But I doubt it's something we can do with cRPG (1).

What happens when somebody leaves but you already have buildings for them?

Every piece of wall costs, x gold per hour. Every (active) visitors in your fief skips 1 wall repair cost.

[[ptx]]

I have to ask if their are any plans to take this idea to its ultimate conclusion?

Imagine ALL fiefs (including castles and towns) staring as basic villages that you can then add to as you wish but each addition you make has a knock-on effect to the fief's population, crafting efficiency and recruiting efficiency.

You would need to be able to destroy the starting huts and terraform the land a bit (already mentioned) but then you could have fully customized fiefs all built with strategy in mind, not just for battle tactics but also for overall strategy to control trade routes and protect borders.  It would be awesome

A rough idea of how it would work

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Starting Village:  Population = 200, Max Crafting Efficiency = 60%, Max Recruiting Efficiency = 60%

Adding Walls and Towers:
- Costs gold
- Reduces all efficiencies slightly

Adding a Keep:
- Costs gold
- Reduces all efficiencies slightly

Adding a Barracks
- Costs gold
- Increases Population
- Reduces Crafting Efficiency
- Increases Recruiting Efficiency

Adding a Blacksmith
- Costs gold
- Increases Recruiting Efficiency
- Increases Equipment Crafting Efficiency (Okin has suggested splitting goods and equipment crafting efficiencies and I agree)
- Decrease Goods Crafting Efficiency

Adding a House
- Costs gold
- Increases Population

Adding a Farm
- Costs gold
- Increases Population
- Increases Goods Crafting Efficiency
- Increases Recruiting Efficiency

Adding a Workshop
- Costs gold
- Increases Goods Crafting Efficiency
- Reduces Recruiting Efficiency

Adding a Market
- Costs Gold
- Adds the market function to the fief
- Increases Crafting Efficiency
- Reduces Recruiting Efficiency

Basically, the more you add the more you can customize your fief's population and efficiencies.  However the more you add the more you have to spend on walls and towers to protect what you have

That reminds me of this M&B mod, where there are no fiefs in the game at start, except for a few starting towns and you slowly build up a village, starting from an empty camp, that you can then upgrade more and more.

[Bjarky]

Every piece of wall costs, x gold per hour. Every (active) visitors in your fief skips 1 wall repair cost.

will be very difficult with 2:1 tick ratio, maybe 1:1 will make it more balanced, 2:1 will prolly force many villages to stay with a few pieces only, if at all, cus there is already troop upkeep.

That reminds me of this M&B mod, where there are no fiefs in the game at start, except for a few starting towns and you slowly build up a village, starting from an empty camp, that you can then upgrade more and more.

interesting, what is it called, could be fun try 

[[ptx]]

Uh, Custom Settlements, iirc.
It was reaaaaaaaally slow, though, took ages of work to get your settlement anywhere, gathering random travellers and such to slowly increase your population and getting them to slowly gather up those resources, whilst constantly patrolling inside of your fief to take care of randomly appearing bandits and such.

[Bjarky]

hmmm ah ok, sounds more like a pain ^^, thought it would a sandbox map (like in vanilla sp campaign) where the factions also rise etc.

[[ptx]]

Factions do rise from scratch, except for one or two (bandits and whoever gains control of the neutral town).
The constant grind also means that there is a nice sense of progress, as you finally manage to upgrade into a castle. Sadly, defending troops don't spawn on the walls when defending that and it's kind of silly that way.

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,68400.0.html for those interested.

[Lt_Anders]

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You should allow building of Special buildings in strat.

IE...Blacksmith for increased crafting chances. Watch Tower for large increase in sight range. etc.

Also, you should make torches able to burn down wooden walls and special buildings. Also make special buildings stay on the map once built. This now makes for some AWESOME strategic planning.

Lets say you have a fief that is really awesome, but the enemy just happened to catch you with your pants down. You don't have alot of money, so, by equiping your army with torches,you could effectively play a policy of scorched earth by burning down your own walls and special buildings making the ENEMY either have to pay and repair them or get a weakened village for your counter attack.

And then on the reverse side. Lets say you can't capture the village, but you can raid so you raid it and set some torches and you burn down portions of the walls/special buildings thereby reducing the enemies combat capabilities and money to repair the damage. By burning the walls down, you make a hole on the wall you can use without problems.

In counter to torches, you should make hammers have repair functions so you can put/repair damage from torches. Buff torches into the relm of awesome on strat with this!
Also, only allow wood walls for villages. Stone walls for backwater villages? Eh? Only castles and cities should get those.

What about this idea concerning wooden walls and torches?


 Perhaps you could even add in some mechanics from the Engineer/sapper in NW. I'm pretty sure they had sappers before NW in MM. Perhaps you can find a way to add in a way to use shovels and stuff to make on the battlefield improvements?

[ArysOakheart]

I have to ask if their are any plans to take this idea to its ultimate conclusion?

Imagine ALL fiefs (including castles and towns) staring as basic villages that you can then add to as you wish but each addition you make has a knock-on effect to the fief's population, crafting efficiency and recruiting efficiency.

You would need to be able to destroy the starting huts and terraform the land a bit (already mentioned) but then you could have fully customized fiefs all built with strategy in mind, not just for battle tactics but also for overall strategy to control trade routes and protect borders.  It would be awesome

A rough idea of how it would work

(click to show/hide)

Starting Village:  Population = 200, Max Crafting Efficiency = 60%, Max Recruiting Efficiency = 60%

Adding Walls and Towers:
- Costs gold
- Reduces all efficiencies slightly

Adding a Keep:
- Costs gold
- Reduces all efficiencies slightly

Adding a Barracks
- Costs gold
- Increases Population
- Reduces Crafting Efficiency
- Increases Recruiting Efficiency

Adding a Blacksmith
- Costs gold
- Increases Recruiting Efficiency
- Increases Equipment Crafting Efficiency (Okin has suggested splitting goods and equipment crafting efficiencies and I agree)
- Decrease Goods Crafting Efficiency

Adding a House
- Costs gold
- Increases Population

Adding a Farm
- Costs gold
- Increases Population
- Increases Goods Crafting Efficiency
- Increases Recruiting Efficiency

Adding a Workshop
- Costs gold
- Increases Goods Crafting Efficiency
- Reduces Recruiting Efficiency

Adding a Market
- Costs Gold
- Adds the market function to the fief
- Increases Crafting Efficiency
- Reduces Recruiting Efficiency

Basically, the more you add the more you can customize your fief's population and efficiencies.  However the more you add the more you have to spend on walls and towers to protect what you have

+1000

[Slamz]

base maximum amount of objects on visitors in your fief?

What happens when people leave?

Your idea would result in "construction teams" that go around and set things up, then move on.  Presumably the walls don't fall down just because someone left (that would suck).  Also, if walls can be lost due to lack of maintenance, we should have some way to set priority on structures.  I don't think a random item should just go poof because someone failed to notice that the town was out of money (I've done that -- it's not like there's a warning or anything, you just have to remember to check it every day).


I think the most fair + realistic approach is this:

* Everyone can build the same number of things (limited only by whatever the engine can support)
* Things have a fixed cost per thing
* Build time is impacted by the population of the fief (civilians + troops, with troops counting far more, like maybe x5 -- after all, they're being paid and it's their full time job)
* No repair costs unless you actually had something destroyed in a battle -- then you need to pay to make it whole again.

It might also be reasonable to make cost based mostly or entirely on "construction material".  Maybe each building costs 1 construction site + X numbers of construction materials (this could create a market for anyone who managed to get crafting points in "construction material"...)

[Bjarky]

Every piece of wall costs, x gold per hour. Every (active) visitors in your fief skips 1 wall repair cost.

  doesn't say poof

[POOPHAMMER]

All of my time wasted in stronghold kingdoms has lead up to this

time to make my castle in stronghold a castle in crpg

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[TurmoilTom]

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The greatest.

[Slamz]

How about if repair costs are tied to the number of troops in the fief?

Basically I don't like tying it to "heroes" because that doesn't make any sense.  I am not personally going out there and slapping together mortar and stone.  That's the sort of thing we hire people for, and I have all these troops sitting there...

If you have 1000 troops (not population, but actual troops) in your fief, then you are already paying a pretty good bill.  That should take care of repair costs.  (Your troops are going out and chopping trees and cutting stone and fixing walls.  Keeps em in shape, ya know.)

[Muki]

All of my time wasted in stronghold kingdoms has lead up to this

time to make my castle in stronghold a castle in crpg

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want to do slezkh castle for me or the town