SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED

[POOPHAMMER]

Here's my, and I bet a great deal of player's reactions to this mod when they take a break to play other games and want to give cRPG a go.

1.  See that the server population is half of what it used to be in primetime.

2.  Notice all the good and fun to play with melee players have quit the game and probably won't come back

3.  Notice the only players still on:  kiting archers and throwers

4. Try to play the game, every enemy you try to engage runs away even STR build throwers, get shot to death from 8 directions by archers and throwers

5. Leave the server, not come back

sounds like what happened to me yesterday

[San]

I counted 3 shielders on my team of 30 including me for a while on NA1. If you go shielder with a spear on your back to ward off cav, you can get into melee action without much difficulty.

[Falka]

People with a lot of HP can survive headshots. People with less than 70 HP can wear any helmet they want, they won't survive headshots.

That's not true. With 66 hp and 52 head armor I survived hundreds of headshots.

Which one are you, Slv or Vitek?

Slv uses Rusbow not longbow.

[Schild en Vriend]

Sure, let's nerf Bows and buff shields & armor, this will improve the gameplay!
/sarcasm

[Bobthehero]

Sure lets buff archery, that'll be a great addition to the game.

[OpenPalm]

This thread is not about buffing archery.  I think archery is fine.  It does not need a nerf, that is all.

[Momo]

This thread is not about buffing archery.  I think archery is fine.  It does not need a nerf, that is all.

It needs only headshot dmg nerf and it will be fine. Like 10% dmg nerf, then head armor may be usfeul again.

[XyNox]

It needs only headshot dmg nerf and it will be fine. Like 10% dmg nerf, then head armor may be usfeul again.

Would sooner or later lead to even more kiting builds I guess. If you intend to take away the possibility to oneshot for archers, the last reason to stand the ground and not running away immediatly is gone.

[OpenPalm]

I think it would be best if head damage was balanced for anything above 5pD horn bow damage one shots everything but the highest 5-10 helms.  That way it could still 1 shot most people with a headshot, but the toughest helms would protect from it.  Unless it's something like a long bow/rus bow with 7ps... that should 1 hit headshot everyone.  I feel like this is probably close to what it is right now, so I think it's fine as it is.

[Arrowblood]

how can you use bow with ps? and with 8 pd* you cant hit any head anyway.


- arrowbloods useless posts-

[polkafranzi]

I think it would be best if head damage was balanced for anything above 5ps horn bow damage one shots everything but the highest 5-10 helms.  That way it could still 1 shot most people with a headshot, but the toughest helms would protect from it.  Unless it's something like a long bow/rus bow with 8ps... that should 1 hit headshot everyone.  I feel like this is probably close to what it is right now, so I think it's fine as it is.

Couched lance to the head isn't even guaranteed 1 shot (trust me, enough people have survived that attack for it to be mentioned)

Really, no single attack from any class or weapon on this mod should be "guaranteed" to 1 hit headshot an enemy, that's just a ridiculous idea rendering any kind of helmet or loomed helmet useless especially seeing as there is so much ranged about too.

Lets either do a) what momo said:

It needs only headshot dmg nerf and it will be fine. Like 10% dmg nerf, then head armor may be usfeul again.

or b) give my old friendchers better melee options so they can stop kiting/headshotting etc etc.

[Zerobot1]

Well you say head armour is useless but you're only talking projectiles, I'm sure your helmet comes in handy in melee when someone hits your head.

[polkafranzi]

Well you say head armour is useless but you're only talking projectiles, I'm sure your helmet comes in handy in melee when someone hits your head.

Yes it does help against melee but that doesn't mean that my big old bucket which encloses my whole head and took me 3 gens to complete shouldn't suddenly be made of silk when a stray arrow hits it 

[rustyspoon]

THE CRPG LIFE CYCLE

1. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.
2. Ranged becomes very popular to counter cav.
3. Only counter to range is more range.
4. Ranged reaches critical mass.
5. Ranged gets nerfed.
6. Ranged players go back to infantry.
7. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.

THE CIRCLE OF LIFE CONTINUES!

[BlueKnight]

Today I was playing with colossus, weimar helmet + gothic plate, on EU6. Sent one arrow in his head and 4 in his body from close range ... he refused to die. 6 PD standard hornbow and MW bodkins.

If it was real life ( I KNOW IT IS NOT ) You wouldn't kill him even if you used all your arrows. Lack of penetration because of a not-so-strong bow would make arrows just dent the plate or even penetrate it, but then the arrows wouldn't penetrate gambeson that was worn under the armour because arrows would have too small energy.

THE CRPG LIFE CYCLE

1. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.
2. Ranged becomes very popular to counter cav.
3. Only counter to range is more range.
4. Ranged reaches critical mass.
5. Ranged gets nerfed.
6. Ranged players go back to infantry.
7. Everyone goes cav for easy kills.

THE CIRCLE OF LIFE CONTINUES!

If people were changing classes so often there would be hardly any people with a lot of crafting skills in strategus.
Also people usually play the class they like the most and I don't think they are trying to conform so much because they would have to trade a lot to get cool loomed stuff.
Maybe your cycle sounds sensibly but I think it's not really true.