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« on: March 23, 2011, 09:52:29 am »
Requesting logs from today, from roughly 320-340 am CST.

Vanidar was banned for I'm not sure what, a conversation between Native_ATS and he had been heated for quite a few maps with shit talk going back and forth. Goretooth banned Vanidar yet didn't so much as verbally warn Native. Native and Gore are in the same clan, this seems to me like preferrential treatment and a conflict of interest, Goretooth obviously shows he will enforce shit talking with a ban but Native remains not so much as warned.

Both players were told to stop by Goretooth and I, yet Vanidar is the only one that gets banned? I would have an easier time living with a mute on both players, but it's clearly preferential treatment to read the logs, especially the witty one liner and the a ban on Vanidar and he alone.

The logs will back up every word of what I say, and any avoidance to post them will only further prove the merit of what I'm saying, and the fact there there is clearly preferrential treatment going on, and a conflict of interest impeding Goretooth's ability to correctly and fairly moderate when both players shit talked and both players ignored admin's warnings to stop -- Native a few maps previously disregarded Goretooth's purple message of "chill" and continued talking shit, Vanidar ignored the message a few maps later and was banned for the same offense.

I liked Goretooth before this, but it's clear he's using his admin abilities to settle a dispute between his clanmate and mine; I'm all for enforcement of the rules, but you need to enforce them evenly and fairly, and it is simply unacceptable to punish someone for a "crime" your clanmate is also engaged in. He even had a catchy one-liner before he banned Vanidar, showing he wasn't doing so to moderate the server, but as a way to "1-up" for his friend, Native. This made me lose a lot of respect for him, I figured he was mature enough to either not ban either of them, or ban both of them like a good objective, arbitrary moderater should, yet he showed his immaturity in using his admin powers only where he needed to to, sparing his own clanmate and banning another for similiar transgressions.

Both players "started" it at different points, both players shit talked. Saying "he started it" is not only childish, but it's logic is flawed in that revenge TK's are bannable, yet revenge shit talk is fine? It doesn't matter who started it, it matters simply that both players committed similar "crimes" (if you can call idle banter a bannable crime) yet only one is acted against.

The logs will show all of these things, the logs from the point Vanidar was banned back a few maps previously will display both players exchanging words and ignoring people asking them to stop. Both players, yet only one is banned. This is an abuse of power.

I have included the last bit of logs I could retrieve (the previous offenses had gone past what "L" allowed me to see) that shows the sequence of events leading to Vanidar's ban, showing Native's shit talking and Vanidar's request for Goretooth's intervention in the matter. Note that Vanidar was not shit talking, he was asking for an admin to intervene as another player was insulting him yet Goretooth "bans him permanently."

This alone is enough to show his poor ability to admin, the rest of the logs will only compound it:

Short log contained inside. Click here.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2011, 10:12:06 am by Rhade »

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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2011, 10:23:57 am »
Reading the rules is always the best thing to do. This is EU sever admins and thus should have reviews only on EU admins.

If one looks at the logs they would see it started when a few BKS were being hot heads saying how all people are bad but them. I returned and said this coming form some randoms (nobodys) Then you got all sad knowing you are indeed a no one in CRPG(it’s a game)  and said lets duel! I am lvl 11 so i said when am  able to fight sure, but even When i would win and kill you with my lance you would cry and say throwing in a duel isnt fair. Then your pal got mad and started to talk shit saying how he was 5x better  then me or w/e and I said “shhhh random”, then we were told to chill out. I then said Kk, this is a game anyways (I was letting it go)
Next time you pal and i fought he shot my pony in our bow duel(true skill to kill the pony first i know!) then killed me and started to ramble his troll rambles. Then after that when he started to talk smack again after jumping me with 5 other people  helping him, i said how do you miss a bump slash, but its ok i cant spell so i guess its fair.( I cant spell…sad but sooo true) he then said Admin tell him to chill out, trying to start problems where there wasnt any need for them. All i wanted was for you guys not to put down other players  in the game. There is no need for that and it got to me because the people talking shit are Randoms in this game (i hear you came form native and where good there but as you can see when you load the game this is CRPG. easy to be a big guy in a small small sever.

Ps: why don’t you post all the logs? I said what I did wrong, yet you hide what you and your clan mate did and say... anyways let try to forget all this bs and try to be good people

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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2011, 10:27:11 am »
Reading the rules is always the best thing to do. This is EU sever admins and thus should have reviews only on EU admins.

If one looks at the logs they would see it started when a few BKS were being hot heads saying how all people are bad but them. I returned and said this coming form some randoms (nobodys) Then you got all sad knowing you are indeed a no one in CRPG(it’s a game)  and said lets duel! I am lvl 11 so i said when am  able to fight sure, but even When i would win and kill you with my lance you would cry and say throwing in a duel isnt fair. Then your pal got mad and started to talk shit saying how he was 5x better  then me or w/e and I said “shhhh random”, then we were told to chill out. I then said Kk, this is a game anyways (I was letting it go)
Next time you pal and i fought he shot my pony in our bow duel(true skill to kill the pony first i know!) then killed me and started to ramble his troll rambles. Then after that when he started to talk smack again after jumping me with 5 other people  helping him, i said how do you miss a bump slash, but its ok i cant spell so i guess its fair.( I cant spell…sad but sooo true) he then said Admin tell him to chill out, trying to start problems where there wasnt any need for them. All i wanted was for you guys not to put down other players  in the game. There is no need for that and it got to me because the people talking shit are Randoms in this game (i hear you came form native and where good there but as you can see when you load the game this is CRPG. easy to be a big guy in a small small sever.

Ps: why don’t you post all the logs? I said what I did wrong, yet you hide what you and your clan mate did and say... anyways let try to forget all this bs and try to be good people

This isn't about you, Goretooth can post once to defend himself, but this isn't really for conversation. I post, Goretooth posts, and 20 posters are required.

Giving the play by play is great, but it's incorrect, Van wasn't taunting, he was asking for help/intervention so the conversation could stop. Just post the logs, I posted all I could see from my L log, the server has more and I'm all for all of it being displayed. If this is the EU section, I'm fine with it being moved to the NA section.

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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2011, 10:44:35 am »
Shit talking shouldn't be a bannable offense, it could easily been solved by the Mute button. Goretooth acted far too hasty imo, a ban should be a last resort.

Just my two cents.

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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2011, 10:52:29 am »
To be fair, I was playing in the server at the time and saw a good portion of this play out. They are both cool enough dudes who simply seemed to get on each other's nerves(regardless of who started it, they both kept it going, even after goretooth asked them to chill). I feel like a dual mute would have solved the problem just as well, but it's still only a 24 hour ban.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2011, 11:33:06 am by Darkkarma »
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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2011, 10:53:34 am »
Dunno what happened this time, but Vanidar is a retard. If he haven't been banned until now, it is a miracle...
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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2011, 10:56:00 am »
Dunno what happened this time, but Vanidar is a retard. If he haven't been banned until now, it is a miracle...

With all due respect, your opinion on Vanidar doesn't mean a damn thing.

The issue at hand is not how you feel about Vanidar, the issue at hand is whether or not Goretooth acted in keeping with what a responsible admin should have done.

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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2011, 11:12:47 am »
With all due respect, your opinion on Vanidar doesn't mean a damn thing.

The issue at hand is not how you feel about Vanidar, the issue at hand is whether or not Goretooth acted in keeping with what a responsible admin should have done.

that why i said "i don't know what happened this time" in the first place....

edit: but overall you're right, i admit it has nothing to do with this topic. i won't reply any further, with warnings i probably get now i will get my warnlevel again close to get muted and i don't want to push it further this time :o)
« Last Edit: March 23, 2011, 11:40:19 am by Beauchamp »
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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2011, 11:28:34 am »
Given this EU offical admin abuse forum everything in this read is irrelevant and will result in nothing other than highlighting the issue publicly.

However does seem like abooze
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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2011, 04:31:32 pm »
The ban was a valid warning imo

BKS really needs to turn down their douchebaggery which is bannable

I have numerous screenshots of.logs where they purposely multitroll to the same level as previously banned people if needed I mean they insult in unison anyone

I warned y'all when u first showed up the way y'all act would end up biting u in the ass

PS admins would ban me too anytime if I acted like y'all so....

I mean your almost my skill but no class, read about Balton

PSS u can't remove NA admins they pay for server so good luck
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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2011, 04:59:18 pm »
I am going to be the party pooper and point out to everyone that this forum is specifically only for EU admins, Not NA Admins.

You can get 50 people agreeing with you and this is still doomed from the start.
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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2011, 05:43:44 pm »
I heard this isnt for NA Admins and only for EU Admins so it doesnt count.
I heard it somewhere not really sure were.

Defo abooose though

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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2011, 05:50:25 pm »
Moving this to the NA admin aboose section...


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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2011, 06:00:45 pm »
Moving this to the NA admin aboose section...


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Re: Goretooth_ATS
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2011, 06:27:52 pm »
Lets see here, where to begin.

Native has never been a problem for this community.

You guys have.  You don't know when to shut up and you don't know how.  The fact that Native and Vanidar were flinging poo at each other the entire time is a direct result of BKs' behavior and approach to other players of this community.

I've re-read the logs; Goretooth gave multiple verbal warnings, and they were left ignored.

Goretooth could have given out mutes & kicks, sure - but rejoining the server negates muting (no such thing as permanent mute) and I highly doubt a kick would have changed anything for you guys, with the ego and all. The true solution would be for you guys to stop typing - cause when you're just playing the game you are challenging opponents. But as soon as you open your mouths, this community is reminded of Balton and how they'd like to burn you at the stake.

Vanidar is unbanned.

Play nice and stop trolling.
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